I'm sure many of you would have already seen/hear Dworkin's rape speech.....

[thefinerthingsinlife]

here

I've never heard about it before. I came across it as Jenson mentions it in his book.

WOW! This women speaks with passion.

www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-mass-graves-20110425,0,3171055.story

the police were complicit with the mass murders. They even lied to the mothers of the girls; in one case a mother was told her 16 year old daughter had been seen out partying. At the time the policeman said that her daughter had already been murdered.

Sakura is this Juarez'

???

femicides happen all the time its awful, the new major had to fire like half of the police force as they we alongside the cartels.

"in her defence statistically black men are more at risk of violence that any other s. group in the world, but funnily enough they are the biggest perpatrators."

I call bullshit on that statistic. DId the statistics include violence against women, or was it just a comparison between white and black men?

And it's not "funnily enough" that black men are the perpetrators of murder, not when they are disenfranchised, ghettoized and treated as criminals by society from the age of 0. The problem is, they take it out on women instead of the racist system that perpetuates their disenfranchisement.

I haven't heard of a mass graves of black men being discovered recently. THe genocide in Rwanda was men and women murdered equally.

Two black men a week aren't murdered in the uK are they?

whereas two women a week actually are

Shoving a penis into someone's orifice against their will is violence, missing. Whether it's done while the victim is subdued by physical force or by drink or drugs.

If you then consider that around 89% of rapes go unreported, (not to mention a massive number of assaults committed by husbands and partners), you may reconsider your assertion that most men are more likely to be victims of violence than women.

call bullshit on that statistic. DId the statistics include violence against women, or was it just a comparison between white and black men?

well I heard it on TV so If im wrong im wrong.

Thanks for the link Sakura although a rather depressing read.

Two black men a week aren't murdered in the uK are they? confused

I wouldnt be surprised if that is the case especially in places like peckham, harrow, hackney, machester, glasgow etc more places.

Oh right okay,

pretty shocking they exclude it,

Are you talking about the drug cartel graves? where 'dozens' have been found? - 72 bodies, 58 men 14 women? Is that the half a million you are talking about?

Sakura, you are mental - there were 177 bodies found, plus perhaps 72 previously. you are out by nearly half a million you fool - no wonder people see feminists with jaundiced eyes you are talking the difference between a street of dead people and a small city. Not all were women - in fact I think from reading several reports less than a third were. Stop making stuff up

The inflation of statistics as a rhetorical tool is poisonous to the argument being put forward. I've no idea whether or not Sakura's figures are accurate, but if they are in fact wrong by the degree of magnitude that is being suggested then that needs to be clarified.

no wonder people see feminists with jaundiced eyes

So your argument with sakura's points/accuracy translates to a sullied reputation of all feminists, does it?

That would seem like needless inflation to me.

In one of my essays at uni I tried to write a rant that was opposite to intercourse to prove the point. Can't remember it her but it is something like this.

To dig, to bury to place in a state for decomposition, to dig, to dirty, to mess up, to contaminate and to infiltrate. Words meant for description deny the man a voice, allo him only to be the corrupter, the one who takes away purity and gives ruin instead, the defiler the unclean and the undeserving. To be a man is to be impure with every act, to be contemtible and to be hated. To masturbate is to self-hate and weakness, the wanker, the loser and the pointless, yet to see sexual fulfillment is to simultaneously destroy the object of your love. To persecute her beyond worth, and to dirty her beyond acceptance. Such is the fate of the man. His sex is base, contemptible and risible ridiculed in life and in death. satan and his hoards punish the men for his sexuality by heaping more sexuality upon him and turning him into a beast.

etc etc etc

I don't think dworkin did anything useful for women by going on about this stuff in such a deranged way - I didn't ever hold a mirror to 'my slit' and wonder about how something big would go in - i never had any idea how big a boys/man's penis was when I did that. I was amazed at how cool it was that I could have someone inside me, when men can't (though they can, actually onviously) and that intimacy and danger of it being embarrassing thrilled me. I never saw it as oppressive and controlling that it be the case.

No not mine, but other peoples' if the arguments made by feminists are 3/4 of women are raped. Daily. and half a million women were killed in mexico FOR FUN then it really doesn't help the credibility of feminists.

No you are right kissing IS sexual violence.. honestly if you are going to ddefine sexual violence wide enough so that 20 million women experience it then it is hardly a fringe behaviour and probably normal. I am not sure 3/4 of women have any sexual contact so I am pretty sure you are making this up.

oh i see.... its now 3/4 of women experience one thing that could be defined as sexual violence -like what How wide is that definition??

I met her once, she calle me 'sister' :)

Oh, wow. This bit made me cry and it's only the first paragraph:

"and in that scream I would have the screams of the raped, and the sobs of the battered; and even worse, in the center of that scream I would have the deafening sound of women's silence, that silence into which we are born because we are women and in which most of us die."