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Am struggling with what it is to be a feminist.....

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K999 · 12/04/2011 19:55

I have posted, over the past few days on this topic....despite really knowing fuck all about it! Blush

Have been on the porn thread and have had a complete rethink on a lot of issues.

My question is two fold...

(1) I am not sure what being a feminist really entails....

And

(2) if I like wearing make/up, shaving, showing a bit of cleavage, does this mean I am letting myself, as a woman, down??

I am confused.....

Thanks

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KatieMiddleton · 12/04/2011 21:43
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HerBeX · 12/04/2011 21:44

What is the definition of extreme with regards to feminism?

I always think that means when people say that the world ought to be organised for the benefit of both halves of humanity adn that it's not good enough to keep it organised for the benefit of one half and just allow the other half to slot in as best it can, when it's not playing on an even field.

Is that what people mean by extreme feminism?

StayFrosty · 12/04/2011 21:46

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K999 · 12/04/2011 21:46

HerBex...what you described I thought was "feminism" but then I am a mere novice! Smile

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K999 · 12/04/2011 21:50

Oh God, Frosty. Me too. I have 2 DDs. One is 11 and doesn't do the whole princess/pink thing. She actively avoids it!? And dd2 is 4 and loves all that! I have really been questing over the last few days if that is down to me? Although I didnt behave any differnenly with DD1 when she was at that age, so who knows?

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EggyFucker · 12/04/2011 21:52

pink princess obsession is common at that age

even my ds went through it Smile

AyeRobot · 12/04/2011 21:52

K999, then you're an extreme feminist. Watch your back. [grins]

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K999 · 12/04/2011 21:55

Shitting hell......perhaps I should leave this thread now! Grin

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StayFrosty · 12/04/2011 22:02

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AyeRobot · 12/04/2011 22:03
Grin

I have never seen anyone on here advocate a position any more favourably tipped towards women than HerBeX describes. Feminism is NOT about taking over the world, no matter what men's r i g h t s activists or anyone else might say. Equality is equality. So how is that extreme? Zero tolerance about violence towards women, for example, is not extreme either. How can anyone think it is?

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K999 · 12/04/2011 22:07

StayFrosty...Dd2 is a massive Star Wars fan and can name neary every single character that has ever been in them. I asked her last week who her favourite character was (thinking it would be Princess Leah) she said "Yoda, because he is so wise!".....Grin

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claig · 12/04/2011 22:26

Great post, Greythorne.

EggyFucker · 12/04/2011 22:27

I have noticed this about Greythorne

she don't post much, but by 'eck, when she does....

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K999 · 12/04/2011 23:00

Thanks all for posting. Off to bed now. Lots to think about! Smile

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alexpolismum · 13/04/2011 07:06

Can I just join in? I have found that I have agreed with some posters on one issue and disagreed on another. I don't really know where I come on the extreme spectrum, I don't think it matters.

I don't do all the feminine grooming stuff, but if I am honest, I would say I don't know whether it's because of feminism or because I can't be bothered and these things just don't matter to me and because I am too tightfisted to spend my money on expensive beauty products

In my daily life, being a feminist means challenging attitudes and stereotypes when I can and trying to set a good example to my dd (3 years old and so far not into pink princesses! fingers crossed...)

Beachcomber · 13/04/2011 07:36

See I think not doing beauty stuff because you can't be bothered or they don't matter is a feminist perspective. It means you are not buying the patriarchal bullshit that this stuff matters.

Unrulysun · 13/04/2011 10:50

Is 1792 Mary Wollenstonecraft?

Does she have a day or something? She should.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 13/04/2011 11:22

yes it is her, and I don't think she does have a day.

garlicbutter · 13/04/2011 11:51

Jumping in without reading the whole thread (yet).

For me, feminism is about: equal rights, equal opportunities, equal privileges.

Equal freedoms in all areas of life.

I want the recognised differences between men and women to be only physical differences, and for everyone of any gender to value the other's differences as much as they value their own.

I want equal power sharing between men and women: economic, social, political, military and the rest.

I'm a feminist because some of these ideas seem ridiculous to many people.

I do not believe certain occupations are more suited to women, or to men. I want all people to be able to use their personal talents & abilities for the best, not limited according to gender.

I believe vanity is a healthy human quality. I have no problem with makeup, hair dyeing, high heels, etc in themselves. What I dislike are male-directed social norms that dictate how a woman 'should' or must look. I also dislike this in situations where it applies to men.

I'm a feminist because so many women don't even realise those norms & limitations are male-directed.

Will read thread later :)

AliceWorld · 13/04/2011 12:33

Re Wollstonecraft day, how about a memorial

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 13/04/2011 12:42

'I'm a feminist because some of these ideas seem ridiculous to many people.'

that is a good line. Spot on.

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