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Are you with the offended ones?

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bronze · 31/03/2011 12:20

nice baps

A petition and letter of complaint has been handed to owner John O'Toole, decrying his bakery's choice of title: Nice Baps.

Am I uptight and odd to be uncomfortable with this. My problem is I'm not very good expressing myself but...
it feels like theyre saying its ok to make womens breasts something you can comment on because it's ok it's only a joke

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AyeRobot · 01/04/2011 00:12

Stop doing feminism wrong! How many times do you have to told?

moondog · 01/04/2011 00:17

OOOh, I think there's be a roaring market for 'large cocks'.

BaronessBomburst · 01/04/2011 00:29

I'm not offended but do think it's a bit pathetic. It's juvenile. I probably wouldn't shop there as I couldn't take the business seriously - and I'm surprised that someone would want to start a business with a name that will alienate customers. Or are teenager boys the market force in the sandwich business.....?

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bronze · 01/04/2011 00:37

I don't think I'm so offended myself (I'm pretty tough really)but more pissed off that the people who are offended by comments that make breasts into a joke are described as being uptight, unable to take a joke etc i think they are well within their rights to not like it. Obviously there are bigger fish to fry and I am getting this feminism thing so very wrong by noticing things, just when I was getting enough confidence to call myself a feminist

btw I have a huge cock. He is called Ernest and may need to go as the children are terrified of him

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AyeRobot · 01/04/2011 00:43

Feminists don't think you're doing anything wrong, bronze. The little things do matter. How could they not?

AliceWorld · 01/04/2011 08:45

You're not doing feminism wrong Bronze. If you're referring to the post that talks about doing feminism wrong, I took that as referring to the naysayers that feminists have to hear from a lot that whatever you are doing, come along and tell you you should be doing something else. Not the OP.

It's not about being tough or not tough though. I am a pretty confident no shit kind of person. Being pissed off by little things like the shop name doesn't make me less tough. It doesn't really rock my world. It makes me want to fight patriarchy, in all its forms, more. Recognising the little things like this doesn't make anyone weak.

That's the thing with all the 'upset' and 'uptight' comments that are used to criticise anyone noticing stuff like this. When I see stuff like this I am none of those things. If feminists got 'upset' about all the stuff they see they wouldn't come out of the house. I don't like it and see the need for us to call them out on it though. And apply a feminist lens to the world around me. It always seems to me the naysayers that get upset and uptight about people daring to point out sexism.

AyeRobot · 01/04/2011 10:48

Oh, yes, bronze! I wasn't having a go at you at all, should have put a Hmm on my post. Thanks, Alice.

OTheHugeManatee · 01/04/2011 11:42

On a mostly unrelated note, every time there's a seminar on Melanie Klein on my psychotherapy course someone will bring in bakewell tarts or iced buns with cherries on top to signify 'good breast'. Always.

Bakery and boobs just seem to go together.

David51 · 01/04/2011 11:53

My partner did a course on Freud with a teacher whose surname was Badcock

StewieGriffinsMom · 01/04/2011 11:56

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OTheHugeManatee · 01/04/2011 11:57

david51 Grin

Unrulysun · 01/04/2011 13:06

I think Alice puts it very well.

The idea that by noticing that a shop has a stupid sign which make my breasts into a joke or that that children's TV show about the Octowhotsits has not one single female character I am taking up valuable mental and physical energy that could be more usefully employed elsewhere really does seem to assume that while shopping for bread products I can simultaneously carry out feminist vigilantism. I would like to know how upahill combines these activities?

SardineQueen · 01/04/2011 13:30

Octonauts has female characters - two I think.

One is the engineer which sounds quite good until you realise that she rarely goes out adventuring.

The other is a receptionist person who also takes photographs (?) and doesn't seem to get much screen time in the ones I've seen.

The ones who do the adventuring ie Kwazi, Peso and Captain something are all male, obv. Also the professor who is the one who organises them all and is v clever.

So there you go Grin

SardineQueen · 01/04/2011 13:31

I am not sure what sex the vegimals are.

SardineQueen · 01/04/2011 13:31

I hope my posts further the feminist cause Grin

SardineQueen · 01/04/2011 13:32

Oh and nice baps = pathetic name for a shop.

Why would you want to call a proper business enterprise something that is aimed at making 13 year old boys snigger?

Unrulysun · 01/04/2011 13:44

Ah SQ thanks. Sounds like TV 'balance' i.e. roughly 30% female to male. Like Question Time.

SardineQueen · 01/04/2011 14:23

Feel free to come to me for any further octonauts questions that are on your mind Grin

doggiesayswoof · 01/04/2011 14:36

I wouldn't shop there. This sort of thing drives me nuts - and the thing I really can't stand is when people assume that if you object = you are offended.

Other assumptions include: you are humourless, you are jealous of women with nicer/bigger breasts than you, etc etc ad nauseam

I am not offended (like the OP, I am tough and some pathetic Carry On double entendre doesn't upset me)

But I do object, because the little things do matter. I agree with Alice's excellent post.

And Ernest is a great name for a cock.

HopeForTheBest · 01/04/2011 14:49

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sethstarkaddersmackerel · 01/04/2011 20:08

SQ - my dcs think the vegimals are male.

GrendelsMum · 01/04/2011 20:19

I agree re the Octonauts.

Someone should hit Kwazi over the head and the female engineer can go out adventuring in his place.

SardineQueen · 01/04/2011 20:23

Whenever I see the name Kwazi I think "Kazi"

The reason I am so knowledgable is that we have an octonauts book and it has a biography of each of them at the back. Yes really. The illustrations are really nice actually. If only there was a female one out there kicking ass with kazi I'd be well into it Grin

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 01/04/2011 20:27

No SQ.
If only there were equal numbers of male and female ones kicking ass with Kwazi. One token woman is not enough.

We have the Sea of Shade book, it's so beautiful to look at and so stilted to read....

SardineQueen · 01/04/2011 20:31

Or the day the Kwazi character was female (mysterious past, brave, charismatic, arguably the main character)....