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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Assange (continued)

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Omg20 · 18/02/2011 18:24

The thread is apparently to big for anymore posts lol

Original thread here

I want to make sure there is a thread for the outcome of the trial so that people can post what they think about the outcome and also to continue debate that was ongoing in the op. Grin

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Prolesworth · 24/02/2011 11:29

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sethstarkaddersmackerel · 24/02/2011 11:38

sorry to put a downer on it, but what happens next? Assuming he loses the appeal, he goes to Sweden and gets tried there, and most likely wins no matter what the truth of the matter was, and will be made to look like he was right all along.

I agree that the judge's comments were good, and of course it is better that he stands trial, but isn't this a no-win situation for women really?

I mean, what are the odds of him being convicted even if he did it? there are no witnesses other than the victims so they will just say they were lying. And the women will have to go through a lot more shit.

dittany · 24/02/2011 11:40

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Prolesworth · 24/02/2011 11:46

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Prolesworth · 24/02/2011 11:55

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Prolesworth · 24/02/2011 12:19

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franke · 24/02/2011 12:30

Whatever happens next, I'm happy to see that the UK justice system hasn't been bamboozled by all the conspiracy theory nonsense surrounding this case. Particularly gratifying that the judge recognised that Assange had tried to avoid the Swedish justice system whilst he was still in Sweden i.e. a long time before all the recent wikileaks furore started.

Prolesworth · 24/02/2011 12:33

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aliceliddell · 24/02/2011 17:02

I already did this on "In the news" thread. But anyway, I'm pleased. BTW, that doesn't mean I have total faith in the British judicial system to protect us. It's just a refreshing change to see some vague reluctance to treat women like shit.

Prolesworth · 24/02/2011 17:42

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TeiTetua · 24/02/2011 18:17

Video: Assange Calls Case Against Him 'Ridiculous'

Yes, well, that's fine then. Go to Sweden and explain, and I'm sure they'll agree with you. Why this strange reluctance to get the whole thing over with?

dittany · 24/02/2011 19:25

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EcoHappyHelen · 24/02/2011 19:38

I've been watching this case very carefully. I realise that I may be a lone voice here but I believe, our Governments must be more transparent and where is it right to hide the fact that our own Forces shot CLEARLY unarmed civilians? Too right I want to know about it! I'd never heard of Wikileaks until this hit the press.

The Swedes dropped their case because of a lack of evidence with reference to those girls, originally and then suddenly dug it up again but not until the biggest leaks had hit the press. Hmm.

Assange can't be extradited to the USA from the UK but can from Sweden. Another Hmmm.

This has been all over the press and any jury trial will be insecure because the jurors may have been influenced by the media.

Impossible for them not to have been exposed.

They now want a closed trial but that's not allowed either, absolutely anything could be said and there's no accountability, no regulation - it's a farce!

I don't do conspiracy theories, and I don't read the Daily Mail. I do though see a clear path through to the USA putting some kind of pressure on Sweden to manoeuvre Assange to a point where they can grab him and clam him up.

And yes, I think it's ALL about that.

Accountability is everything. Be it Governments, wars, nuclear power stations, schools, the NHS ...

StewieGriffinsMom · 24/02/2011 19:45

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notjustapotforsoup · 24/02/2011 19:51

Helen, we went through all that thread here

Assange could have been extradited from the UK to the US. In fact, it is probably easier than from Sweden, given that US prosecuters don't have to provide prima facie evidence. See Assange Q&A

Did anyone hear/see Assange's comments to the press afterwards? I only caught some on the radio but was wondering why he sounded like a robot. It was like he was providing a translation or something. Anyway, that's just an aside. I'm glad this has happened. Let's see what's next.

Oh, btw, I suggested on the other thread something along the lines of the Assange supporters believe that having sex with a woman when she is asleep is OK and very far from rape. I braved the Guardian comments on the live feed and I was right.

StewieGriffinsMom · 24/02/2011 19:53

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notjustapotforsoup · 24/02/2011 19:53

Oh, and what SGM said about the extradition. He has no reason to be extradited to the US at this time. In fact, his claims of being under threat of being tried for treason are nonsensical, given that he is not a US citizen.

Prolesworth · 24/02/2011 20:42

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Omg20 · 25/02/2011 00:11

Stewie I don't believe I have anything to answer as I have clearly posted the definition of trial and hearing and my understanding is that a trial is the final conclusion or verdict and a hearing is to present evidence and defense etc before trial. I am not a lawyer but on looking around and seeing that a lot of other people, media etc have referred to it as a trial. So I beleive the terminology is correct. However what I don't understand is that people are choosing to talk about my post instead of the subject at hand. My post is not important in this issue at all no one is going to get shot for me calling it a trial you know. It just seems like a childish troll attempt. Even though the people understand and have said that they understand what I am saying they still choose to troll instead of talking about the thread subject. Which is to continue the original discussion from the thread linked in the op.

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StewieGriffinsMom · 25/02/2011 08:17

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aliceliddell · 25/02/2011 13:04

Ecohappyhelen-you say "accountability is everything" and give lots of examples where you believe this to be true. You don't include Assange's sexual behaviour in that list. Why is men's sexual (mis)behaviour not subject to political accountability?

LeninGrad · 25/02/2011 13:39

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sethstarkaddersmackerel · 25/02/2011 14:12

I don't get this; I missed the bit where OMG referred to the hearing as a trial but I don't understand where he is coming from. Surely if you refer to Assange's hearing as a trial you risk libelling him, apart from anything else; given that he lost it makes it sound like he has been found guilty of rape whereas in fact he hasn't yet been tried at all, the hearing is procedural with no bearing on whether he is guilty.

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