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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I am one... but why don't I want to be called one?

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ShanahansRevenge · 15/11/2010 20:58

A feminist that is. I am very much a strong minded woman...independant, succesful and up for the rights of all females in all ways...so why do I feel uncomfortable with the label "Feminist"?

I think it might be due to the negative connotations of the word...the way a lot of people percieve feminists...it conjures up an image that genral sciety aren't comfortable with doesn't it?

Which in turn puts us..the very people who matter most in the fight for equality..at massive disadvantage. Isn't it time for a rebrand?

Why stick with the old title? Why have a "title" at all? Why not just "be" what we are? Women, strong ones...independant,intellegent, talented, funny, succesful..whatever. Get on with making change...forging a future for women where we don't need a name for what we are and what we do or want.

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BaronessBomburst · 15/11/2010 22:07

Dittany, Sixpence - please reign it back a bit! You are both very committed and experienced but can also be very scary. I understand the OP's comments about being put off of feminism as a label, because of the negative associations in the media, but try to explain the basics instead of jumping on people. We're not all experienced in debates and arguments, and things sometimes just come out a bit wrong. It takes time to learn to explain things succinctly in a post, especially if you're still trying to get your head round it in the first place.

ShanahansRevenge · 15/11/2010 22:11

Thank you Baroness...I didn't expect to get battered ..I knew there would be some heated disussion but ever thought I would get called a man-hater. I knew/know NOTHING about Feminism as a political movement...that was probably plain from my OP. Bu I wasn't scared by Dittany or Sixpence...pissed off yes.

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ShanahansRevenge · 15/11/2010 22:12

wutker that made me laugh!

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dittany · 15/11/2010 22:14

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sixpercenttruejedi · 15/11/2010 22:15

you didn't get called a man-hater, it was implied you might not be as woman-friendly as you make out. BTW my names not sixpence.

BaronessBomburst · 15/11/2010 22:18

Sorry sixpercent - that was a typo. Am trying to do two things at once and can't.

sixpercenttruejedi · 15/11/2010 22:21
Smile
jenny60 · 15/11/2010 22:21

No one jumped on the OP: she jumped on feminists and feminism. Why is everyone allowed to defend themselves except us?

ShanahansRevenge · 15/11/2010 22:26

Sorry tuppence. Grin I mean sixpercenttruejedi....I mean woman-hater not man-hater.

Anyhoo...I did bollock on a bit..looked for a an explanation but did it clumsily...whatever you want to call it. I stand corrected...I now understand why the title is important..you all did a god job at educating me even if you did crack your whips a bit hard.

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ShanahansRevenge · 15/11/2010 22:28

I'll be proud to call myself a Feminist. From now on. I'm going to come out to my Mum tomorrow.

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sixpercenttruejedi · 15/11/2010 22:28

tuppence is going to be my new name. Grin

ShanahansRevenge · 15/11/2010 22:29

Heh heh Grin

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AliceWorld · 15/11/2010 22:30
Grin

Our work is done. Now who did we have next on the list... Wink

ShanahansRevenge · 15/11/2010 22:31

Grin Alice

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sixpercenttruejedi · 15/11/2010 22:31

danny dyer

sixpercenttruejedi · 15/11/2010 22:32
Grin
BaronessBomburst · 15/11/2010 22:33

I don't think she did jump on feminists and feminism. As I read it, the OP wanted to know if there was a way of making it more approachable and reducing the prejudice and negative connotations of the name - like when companies change their names to make them 'new' or more user-friendly.

I do agree though, that this isn't the way forward; we just need to get the name back. And possibly part of that would be to be a bit more gentle and tolerant towards ignorance and to aim to educate rather than alienate.

BaronessBomburst · 15/11/2010 22:34

x-post with everyone - as usual. This is why I never post here.

sixpercenttruejedi · 15/11/2010 22:34

oh, you still wanna fight eh baroness? Grin

ShanahansRevenge · 15/11/2010 22:37

Grin thanks Baroness!

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AliceWorld · 15/11/2010 22:38

Danny Dyer Shock. Can we start on that one tomorrow. I'm kinda tired and I think he might take a wee bit longer... Grin

BaronessBomburst · 15/11/2010 22:41

Naah - I'd lose. You lot frighten the shit out of me most of the time! Think that's why in a moment of insanity bravery I tried to stick up for SR. Grin

sixpercenttruejedi · 15/11/2010 22:45

it did you credit. can we count on your support for the upcoming revolution?
VOTE FEMINISM
Grin

BaronessBomburst · 15/11/2010 23:23

Of course! As long as I'm home by 5 to cook tea. Grin Grin

tabouleh · 16/11/2010 00:10

ShanahansRevenge re your OP:

"I am one... but why don't I want to be called one?"

Well I guess for me before I identified as a feminist I thought that things were equal/as equal as they could be.

I now realise that what I was seeing around me was an equality illusion and that I was seeing the world through the mainstream media and that I had subconsciously bought into a "boys will be boys/girls will be girls" mentality.

(re one of your later posts about why don't we knock anti-women items as they come etc - well there is a pattern - a pretty fucking huge pattern once you start to uncover it!)

The word "feminist" does conjour up negative emotions in many men! But the more you think about it the more you realise that this very truth should motivate women to identify with this political movement.

The fact that it is a given that women fighting for equality is something to be sneered at/blocked/belittled etc...

I think you've had the arguments that whatever the title there would be attacks against a group of women identifying as a group fighting for equality.

Plus there is a proud history to feminism.

minxofmancunia - I really don't think that there are any man hating extremists here - passionate committed radical feminists yes!
I use to be a bit Hmm Confused Shock at all this talk of "the patriarchy" - but it is about men as a group being more privileged than women.

What type of things would you like to see debated here - start some threads?

seth - when you said "but why not reclaim the word rather than rebrand the movement?" it reminded me of Finn Mackay's speech at FiL:

"Over this year I have heard much debate about whether feminism needs to be rebranded. As if a movement that has given us all the advances we today take for granted is something we should be ashamed of. That we can work in many different industries, that we have access to education, that domestic violence is considered a crime, that we can open our own bank accounts. As if a legacy of support services, rape crisis centres, refuges, nurseries, women?s centres, helplines and advocacy provisions that continue to support women, children and men today, are something that we should be embarrassed about. Feminism does not need re-branding, it needs re-claiming, and this is something that all of us can do."

feminism doesn't need rebanding - it needs reclaiming

ShanahansRevenge you said: "Who coined the term "feminist"?"

I don't know who but:

"feminism n (1895) 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests ? feminist n or adj ? feministic adj"

Re the Fawcett Society campaign - I am not sure if I'd have heard about it if not through feminist blogs etc.

Our mainstream media is very male-centric see how I avoided using the scary patriarchy word - try out women's views on the news - and prepare to be shocked at the poor coverage of lots of things and Grin at the refreshing women's slant on news.

Please stick around on this section - I am sorry that you feel bullied and I can see what you mean but - feminist are always attacked and your posts here I think (unwittingly) really touched on raw nerves.

I really don't think that you've been called a "woman-hater" - there are subtlties to the word "listen" in the context used on this thread (as in - If you listen to men who use the term feminazi, then you're a woman-hater.)

Personally I don't think that phrasing was helpful - but that work is hideous hideous and I find it unpleasant that you posted it in the first place.

Hope you'll stick around and learn more about why you are a feminist (you are a feminist - yes you are!)

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