Okay so after bleating on about this I actually watched porn.....

[PosieParker]

I had the sound off as the noises made it seem a lot worse, but the woman looked bored, tired and distant. I almost could bear to watch the men, all aggressive expressions and helping one of the women have one position sex for a lot longer than I would. I found it really non sexy or sexual and completely backed up my opinion that it is pretty vile. Now I only watched about twenty minutes on and off, I had to keep flicking over....but in this time one woman was enduring intercourse and seemed to have to put all of the work in, bouncing up and down.

I cannot fathom how any watches it and enjoys it.

(this was following a conversation with a male friend who says I've never seen on and so blah blah, I agreed to watch one and really wish I hadn't, I am even more solid in my opinion.)

Interesting thread.

I'd recommend Shelley Lubben's work as well. She's an ex porn actress who now campaigns against the industry. She has a website and several talks on youtube. It's powerful and quite distressing stuff.

She said that you say you're enjoying in whilst you're working in the industry (a form of Stockholm Syndrome).

It's not pleasant to hear what she has to say and she's up against a multi-billion dollar industry, which makes her even more brave.

Thanks butterfly I'll have a look

I've read a few of the posts on that discussion and to be honest I find them a bit weird. I feel like a total misfit given what the arguments were. If someone chooses to have sex on film, what's wrong with that? I have recorded myself having sex, and while I wouldn't sell it, I am not ashamed of it and I enjoy watching it. I don't have any hangups about my body and see sex as a fun activity that other people can participate in (I have had threesomes in the past). Many of the women commenting on the violence of porn haven't actually seen porn. BDSM porn is pretty rare as most men aren't actually turned on by pain.

Is there evidence that a lot of porn is non-consensual? I have watched a lot of porn and while it's very obvious that in some films the woman is acting (and not very well at that) I have never seen one where it seems like she is distressed or trying to get away. I know there have been a few high profile incidents of filmed rape, but needless to say this is a crime whereas porn is a job. If you don't want to do it then do something else.

I think I am in the minority also when I say that I have no objection whatsoever to Nuts and the like. The women in those magazines have chosen to be photographed and men get pleasure out of it, it's a transaction between two grown adults so what's the problem?

Thanks for those links, Dittany, they were an eye-opener.

Sorry to be a pain with this but do you think porn is inherently wrong? As in, if the industry was properly regulated and the women were physically safe, would you still object to it as strongly?

BTW the porn I watch tends to be the "amateur" style stuff where the sex is quite realistic and not rough. The rough animalistic type stuff does nothing for me, and I can see how many would object to that.

Butterfly I don't get what you mean by "if you're not at a point in your life where you see a need..." can you explain this more?

WOD, I am a bit suspicious of your motives for the repeated requests for people to elaborate on this thread

I don't see why you're suspicious AF, what ulterior motive could I have? I was in the process of reading the other thread, which I missed when it was active, and then TBE made a comment that I didn't understand so I asked her to clarify.

I'm still not entirely sure I understand what you mean Butterfly but I'll carry on with the other thread and see if that makes it clearer.

an article to write, perchance ?

your name gives a teensy little clue too

and you didn't just ask one person to elaborate

however, you have as much right to be on this thread as anyone, so carry on

Ah I see AF that makes sense, but no I'm not a writer. I'd like to be a novelist, but I'm not, mainly due to lack of talent!

ok, WOD

sorry, I sounded snippy

but these threads attract allsorts ya know

Maybe I am being dense, but why do people say that you have to watch porn before you can be against it? I find that an utterly ridiculous stance: no one would say that you have to go hunting before saying you find it repugnant.

I hate porn: I hate the way it has infiltrated mainstream society.

I hate that some people think there is nothing wrong with it but would be horrified if their daughters sisters or partners said that they thought it was a valid career choice.

To me that says it all, porn dehumanises women.

It changes a person from being seen as a human being with thoughts, feelings and a personality into being the sum of their holes.

gran...I agree

it dehumanises all people in fact, not just women

True, true.

Just had a DD though and it has made me even more militant than I was before and I have always been quite vocal.

gawd yes, gran

my thoughts on this matter have certainly been made much more crystal clear by the arrival of my children (now teeangers and surrounded by a pornified culture wherever they go )

My DS is 19, I worry, mind you he has plenty of strong female role models (I have three sisters and we are all the same, as is my mum).

It's awful now, and it terrifies me what it will be like when DD is a similar age to DS.

The pornification of every facet of everyday life sickens me, I grew up in the 80s and casual sexism was rife, but part of me thinks that things are far worse now. Now we have to look like we are enjoying or be labled as prudes/killjoys etc.

I am no prude, I just hate porn.

I think we are worth more than that, all of us.

you will find plenty of like-minded individuals here

Thanks AF