"What have we come to when middle-class girls like this see whoring as a career choice?"

[Portofino]

Sorry it's the DM, but interesting article here

You are quite right. I wasn't concentrating my mental attention on Shrek, where he is the utter skank here. I was just honestly thinking about the motivation that allowed these girls to think that this is acceptable behaviour.

I have a daughter. I just about accept the fact that one day she will have sex. No matter the circumstances of that, I will do ALL that I can do that she does so only on her terms, and has the utmost respect for herself.

Maybe that is my hang up. I can understand men behaving like shits ie because my cultural upbringing tells me they do, and get away with it , but find it hard to get why these girls would demean themselves in such a way!

Thinking about it more, I agree with FioFio that the article is condescending and patronising to working class women. It is written by Bel Mooney, who I think is a leftie. I think she has a poor understanding of human nature and wants the world to be as she thinks it should be in her fantasy view of life. She doesn't seem to understand that many middle class and upper class women have become prostitutes throughout history. She seems to think that it is only a working class thing.

Howver, she is right that the pernicious proliferation of pornography and fame and wealth culture, together with a decline in morality, is sucking more women into prostitution, including middle class women.

It's a non-story really.

Girls go bad from good homes as well as poor. It's not up there with man bites dog, is it?

Notice the Daily Mail printing lots of unnecessary pictures of those unfortunate and comically over-painted females.

How does that newspaper manage to purse its lips whilst being salacious? It's hard to do both at the same time.

All in my cultural upbringing says I should believe understand men behaving like shits and get away with it. But from my own grandmothers down, I didn't believe it for shit.

actually it's Wayne Rooney who has 'gone bad', not the prostitute. He's the one who was breaking his marriage vows.

I wish human trafficking for the sex trade got as much press, really, Quattro. But of course, funding for such investigations has been cut and well, the law doesn't go after johns, does it?

The article is only tangentially about Wayne Rooney - and I agree with you that he's gone bad

As to whether or not the girls have gone bad, if your point of view is that they haven't, then that's your point of view.

If either one were my daughter, I'd be going through a period of intense self-examination of my parenting skills. Because I would conclusively feel that if my daughter were to be shagging an ugly married bloke for money and/or publicity, she'd gone bad.

I'd feel like I failed her and me both, Quattro. Like I failed to teach her not be as big a loser as I am.

In the grand scheme of things it's Colleen I feel pity for. The prostitute has sold herself and so she's no winner, only Wayyyyne is the proven twat.

Smallwhitecat, if people weren't so insistent that doing sex work for money is always so dreadful, so much worse than emptying bins or wiping arses or collecting debts for a loan shark then less time would be wasted harassing the women (and men) who have decided that the money's good enough for it to be a reasonable short-term job option, and more time and effort could be spent on helping those who are not doing it voluntarily.

Underlying all this whining crap and refusal to believe that sex work for those who choose it is just another service industry, is this idea that sex is diminishing to women, and that there's such a thing as having 'too much' sex, and that people who want lots of it should be prevented from having as much as they want whenever possible.

I don't know about people having too much sex but I do know that it is wrong to shag someones husband without her consent.
And then sell the story and gat paid for it. Sexc is the least shocking part of it in regards to the woman, and totally shameful on both (WR and woman) their parts

That is a really nasty little article.

There's far too much criticism of the woman here for my liking.

If DM really abhorred prostitution, thought it exploited women etc, then they would campaign for safer, regulated conditions for sex workers.

If DM really abhorred the conditions for women in society that made them think that being a wag was the be all and end all, then they would campaign for equal rights and opportunites in the workplace for women.

If you think about it, all of the newspapers that are covering this story are printing half naked pictures of this woman and generally making a tidy profit out of her body and her sex life. Not that much different to prostitution now is it?

This woman now has no chance in life. Every job interview will be doomed for her, every opportunity she might have had will now be closed off to her, she'll be ostracised and criticised and talked about for ever more. Whilst WR continues to be held up as a hero and will continue to make x hundred k a week.

WR should be the one bloody apologising!

And to those who say she shouldn't have slept with someone's husband, then- WR made the vows, WR is the one with sole responsibility for keeping his end of them. It is not up to womankind as a whole to police
the male population, and the only one at fault in this situation is that vile potatohead WR.

I agree Fio

The good thing about being middle class gawn wrong is that it is fairly easy to get back into normal life, if she so chooses.
And don't forget she is making a tidy profit out of all this.
I'm sure WR gets offers all the time, but he decided to pay for it perhaps thinking a prostitute wouldn't go to the press. He was wrong.

There is a good reason why the press is mainly about Juci Jeni as opposed to Wayne Rooney.

Juci Jeni is selling herself to the press - posing for provocative photos, telling all the saucy details. Whereas Wayne is hiding.

I personally think JJ and WR as morally as bad as eachother. 50% of the blame each IMO. Both have behaved disgracefully.

Have to agree with all of you who wonder why JJ (yuck @ the nickname) is the focus of all this.

Why aren't people going after Wayne Rooney?

Actually we already know the answer to that one, don't we, because everyone is to blame except him .

People feel a lot of stupid, wrong things because of societal pressure SWC. Some people feel revulsion at the idea of gay marriage, or women having easy access to abortion, because for years they have been told by myth-peddlers that these things are Bad. People who don't like the idea of paying for, or taking money for sexual activities should engage in neither. But (setting aside the very real and serious problems of coerced and exploited workers which need addressing) why can't those who feel that the exchance of money for sex is a fair transaction (whether they are buying or selling) be allowed, within limits (fairness, safety etc) be allowed to get on with it just as people in other service or customer-interfacing jobs are?

They are allowed to get on with it. But they are under no illusions that it is far different to wiping people's asses in old folks homes. If they are asked at a dinner party, what job they do, they would much rather say that they work in an old people's home rather than saying that they are a prostitute. They know that the jobs are totally different, and they don't go around publicising what they do.