"What have we come to when middle-class girls like this see whoring as a career choice?"

[Portofino]

Sorry it's the DM, but interesting article here

I can imagine that SamCam would not be SamCam if she were not very wealthy in her own right in addition to slim.

DavCam could just plain, old love her though, I guess - in an old fashioned, romantic way - and not give a fig about her money, family connections, or appearance.

But there's the rub - JuciJenny had all of the advantages that SamCam had (to a greater or lesser extent). And SamCam can't do any right either - she is still being negatively judged by some - yet she has achieved exactly the life that her background should lead her/us to expect that she would.

Now if SHE started shagging footballers and selling her story to the NOTW......

I guess you can't win.

I didn't mean his choice of wife!! I was more talking about how the media comment on her appearance.

Paraphrase of headline : "What have we come to when girls choose to become prositutes rather than being forced into it, as is traditional?"

So it's acknowledging that the vast majority of prostitutes are/have been forced into it. That's good, can I claim to have public opinion on my side next time someone drags out the old "but women choose to go on the streets/appear in porn/lapdance for money" argument?

Good paraphrase, Elephants.

It's part of the I'm empowered, I poledance for fitness culture, imo.

I agree with so many people on this thread. expat I couldn't agree more about the self respect issue. I had exactly that conversation with a cabby in East London once. If you have no respect for yourself, you won't respect anyone/anything else either. Breakdown of society follows :(

I also agree that the article is pointing out that most prostitutes do not ASPIRE to become hookers. One way or another life handed them that deal, yet here is a stupid girl with so many doors open to her chosing to fuck for money instead of doing something worthwhile with her life.

Anyone see Zoe Williams on this today in the Guardian? V good article IMO. I like her parting shot about needing to root out the whole tree rather than hassling one apple. here

I can't bring myself to feel anger or frustration or disapproval for girls and women who sell their bodies, any more than I do for refuse collectors or anyone else who does a dirty job that I haven't had to do yet.

The guys who buy them on the other hand are, basically, massive skanks.

Maybe these particular girls just aren't very intelligent.

Yes, why is she getting all the blame? All she did was exchange a service for an agreed fee. No one forced Wayne Rooney to pay for sex. He chose to do so. Mind you, at least he seems to have taken the ethical-punter approach of choosing sex workers who are not trafficking victims or drug addicts.

But a lot of the reason why some people seem to get even more squawky and demented at the idea that some sex workers don't mind their work and have chosen to do it is this old (and very unhealthy) idea of woman as sexual gatekeeper - women are supposed to ration sex out to men, women lose something (a part of the 'self' or whatever) by engaging in sex and men gain by having sex so it's women's job to refrain from sex as much as possible...
Exchanging sex for money isn't in itself wrong any more than exchanging money to have your food cooked or your house cleaned is wrong.

Smallwhitecat: that's a wierd and very subjective statement. Sex is just not that big a deal to some people ie it';s a part of life, not some standalone activity that's both sacred and shameful. It's a fun activity that can also be done for money or other reasons.

I don't think choosing prostitution is anything new.

It doesn't matter what class you are - top models and actresses have been known to sleep with men for a price. It's always been that way.

But the DM does love a 'middle class girl gawn wrong' story.

bedlambbeast off thread I know so sorry but I also felt extreme discomfort at the parents issuing an apology to Coleen, especially in light of the fact that she has apparently been disowned by her parents.

The girl was allegedly selling sex in her final year of school so what 15/16? If that doesn't identify her a vulnerable I don't know what does.

very sad that the focus of the blame is on her.

I agree with semicolon, it is not a new thing that middle class and upper class women choose to enter prostitution.

"I don't think choosing prostitution is anything new.
It doesn't matter what class you are - top models and actresses have been known to sleep with men for a price. It's always been that way.
But the DM does love a 'middle class girl gawn wrong' story."

Fiona Richmond was the daughter of a vicar and a headmistress and became a porn actress. Heidi Fleiss came from a very affluent background and chose to be a prostitute and a madam. Many of the high class prostitutes are well educated and middle class, as are many of the madams. Belle de Jour was doing her PhD as well as being a prostitute.

Some women are attracted to the money and don't see it as morally wrong. There is little that their parents could have done to change it.

'Her motivation seems irrelevant, she looks so obviously vulnerable. I have extreme contempt for her parents who seem to have apologised to the wife of a man who bought sex from a clearly needy and sad figure. I wonder whether they should be apologising to their daughter.'

For what? Hey, I bring them up as best I can. It won't be a private school education, there aren't any private schools around here, anyway. I did what I could because that's what you do when you decide to have and keep kids.

I don't expect thanks for that, that's not why I did it, but at the same time, hey, this woman's an adult. She wasn't trafficked in here, lied to, enslaved.

She made a choice about this.

Could be my own daughter, maybe. I don't know.

But then what do I have to apologise to her for?

I did all I could to give her a self-esteem and self-respect, maybe she still has them and sells sex for money. Or did drugs and I said, 'The door's open when you want to get off that ride, whatever it takes, because I had you because I love you,' and she chose to go another route?

I gotta defer to SGB here, and it's getting so maybe it'd be nice to get to know her other than as SGB tbh.

Because he's the one who bought it.

He's the demand that keeps up the supply.

And she's the bad guy? She's not married with a kid.

'I notice they don't do the 'privately educated middle class girl chooses to work at puondland, where did it allgo wrong' shocker it's because there are hundreds of them'

That would be me, Fio, packing Xmas hampers every season for a well-known seafood chain.