Misogynists have always got willy issues, haven't they?

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Deep down, they simultaneously fear and revere the Mighty Phallus. So whatever the size of their own, they are either hugely ostentatiously impressed by it, (and other men's), or terrified that it's inadequate and the only way the can be a Real Mens is by dissing women (even though the atual clammy unappealing organ is no less than average.)
I've seen a LOT of willies. Most of them are pretty much standard size. SO, boys, get over it. It's just a willy.

Yes, I always think about the CHinese women who had their feet hobbled. For a thousand years all so that men could feel masculine. Male masculinity often depends on women's femininity or feebleness.

SO masculine-looking and behaving women, or any outspoken, confident women, are very threatening to certain types of men, who themselves are concerned about where they fit in to the male hierarchy. Men are hierarchical creatures in a way that women are not.

very good point about male hierarchy. It is like the pecking order in chickens. It is due to this hierarchy that power is so much more important to men than to women. Men who are not confident of their position in the hierarchy can feel threatened by women who challenge their position.

Come off it the humanoid robot creation thing isn't being done in order to make humanoid robots to help people at home or to step into jobs. Do you know how much asimo cost? Even if they were producing them on a production line you're never going to get them cheap enough to replace the labour of actual people (which are very cheap, even free in lots of parts of the world).

The reason people try to do it is because it's interesting, and fun, and challenging, and teaches us about ourselves.

Same reason they try to make computers that think like a human brain

Of course robots in general are useful in situations which are not compatible with people. Not infallible though - look what happened at Chernobyl - the radiation levels were so high that the robots they sent in to see what was happening kept conking out, so in the end the scientists had to go in and poke around themselves.

Meant to say earlier good post claig.

Also I should probably stop going on abut robots now...

Yes, i think that's why you get gentle giant men. My ex was a 6 footer rugby player and a student nurse. I think his confidence all came from his height and build. In the male hierarchy there was no question of his masculinity so he could get away with being a nurse, whereas most men would shy away from such a feminine profession.

ISNT, I think there's more to it. I think it's connected to the medical establishment's obsession with surrogacy and gettin a baby out of the oldest woman possible, I think it runs very deep, this idea that patriarchy can create life, or build life, rather. IT shows up in art, literature and films all the time. It's womb-envy.

ISNT, I think there's more to it. I think it's connected to the medical establishment's obsession with surrogacy and gettin a baby out of the oldest woman possible, I think it runs very deep, this idea that patriarchy can create life, or build life, rather. IT shows up in art, literature and films all the time. It's womb-envy.

(late to thread and wondering who/what SH and FOSH are, very behind, sorry)

Great post Claig. Agree with Sakura too re priorities and where capitalism takes us in general.

I think there is something in what Sakura says. It is very difficult to prove, but I think there is something to it. The psychoanalyst Karen Horney used to believe in this womb envy. It is the view that men don't give birth and are therefore less closely linked to mother earth and mother nature. They compensate and try to give birth to new inventions and creations. There is even an arrogance that they think that they will create artificial intelligence machines that will be better than humans.

mathanxiety, SH is Sebastian Horsley, an artist who died recently of a suspected drug overdose. FOSH = friends of Sebastian Horsley who posted on two threads in particular

Kate Smuthwaite of Cruella Blog pickets Sebastian Horsley's funeral

and

Coping with Trolls and Derailers

most of us had never heard of him, but Prolesworth unearthed some horrific misogynistic quotes that he has made. The threads are illuminating in that they shed light on where these horrific views may emanate from.

sakura totally agree re the "gentle giant men". We have had a thread on here before where it turned out that many of us (includig myself) are with men who physically are indisputably very masculine - mine is an ex rugby player too

I think the reason that many feminists are with such terribly male-looking men, is that these men are not threatened by women who know their own mind and won't be bossed around.

re the womb / robot thing. Not sure. I do think that the human race as a whole is terribly up itself, a sort of global ego problem, whether that is attached to patriarchy is something I need to think about. i can see your point but I'm not sure. I think it might be something in the human psyche across the board, like, the way men in patriarchy can look down on women and children, as a species we (humans) look down on everything else. Hmmm.

Dont know why I'm grinning inanely over rugby players there... never mind.

I read the Cruella thread and will tackle the other one too -- despite his protests that pure sex (paid for) is the only beautiful, etc thing in the world, I think it was the paying and the illegality that made it meaningful to him. In other words, money was one of the most important things in his life and in his psyche, and the idea that he was only entitled to what he could essentially get illegally reveals much about his self loathing.

good point about his use of money to boost his self worth. The illegality is similar to his use of drugs etc. to get a high.

surely the main problem is not that Mysogynist men have knobs, but they ARE knobs?

The thing is, I have never yet encountered a misogynist man who couldn't actually be derailed by the simple expedient of laughing at his willy. OK this is actually a risky strategy in the flesh as really misogynistic, phallus-obsessed men are likely to become verbally aggressive and quite possibly physically violent if you don't Respect the Cock, but when you get one online, suggesting that his unpleasantness is due to him worrying about his willy always works. They can't ignore it. They have to start ranting about what a Castrating Feminist Bitch you are, you laugh some more, they scream and shout and shit themselves some more and you can trample all over whatever idiotic argument they were proposing. Online misogynists do have a similar tactic they try to use, which is suggesting that you might be FAT! or SINGLE! but when you point out that yes, you are, and proud of it, they get into even more of a panic.

SGB, most of the penises I have seen have been in a sexual context. I really can't be bothered to sleep with misogynistic men in order to check to see if they have really small penises.

I am just going to assume that you are right.

MillyR- the actual size of a misogynist's willy is totally irrelevant. It's the fact that he's so obsessed with it - so you don't have to see it to mock it, nor should you make the mistake of saying 'You have a small willy' (in case he is sat there with a tape measure) - the killer line is 'You've got some ishoos with the size of your willy, haven't you?'

Is it like a Mini-Me?

and yes I suppose it is the equivalent to "you're all fat/ugly/can't get a shag" etc etc

yes I can see that SGB. I mean a willy is just some hanging flesh that men pee out of the majority of the time.
GAWD knows why, but the willy has hit fantastical symbolic connotations in society in general and definitely among misogynistic men.
I read somewhere that men get penis jobs (to increase penis size) not for the women in their lives, but for other men, so they can actually feel superior to other men when the go to the gym or to pee and what have you.
Misogynists generally don't care what women think of them, but if you tell them they've got willy issues, then yes, I can see how that would make them feel weak in the male hierarchical pecking order. Their masculinity would feel threatened and women pointing this out makes them angry.

ISNT-

hope you're not referring to willy size Sakura