Morning all, How about a straw poll?

[ISNT]

Strawpoll is about jobs and adverts for jobs and the job centre.

A judge ruled a few years back that job centres have to advertise any job which is legal. Thus they run ads for webcam roles, escorts, phone sex lines etc.

Is this a good thing, or a bad thing?

oh god yes.

Men's ownership of rationality...

E&M your turn of phrase then was excellent

That thread about the 12 yo is just depressing.

The thing I find really disturbing about these threads is that usually it's all women saying yes terrible, then one man comes along and goes on and on and will not let it drop. Why do they do it? What kind of man goes onto a predominantly female website, predominantly mothers, and says that their views on the rape laws are wrong. Or that the idea that it is wrong for an 18yo to have sex with a 12yo is ludicrous. And so on.

Why do they do it? Really? It's always the threads about rape where they get stuck in, they are always going against the mainstream view in the most offensive ways. Do they feel that someone needs to defend the poor men and they're the men for the job?

And why won't they engage and answer direct questions? I find it quite upsetting TBH. But OTOH I guess they are showing what much of society thinks so it's worthwhile seeing just how awful their views are?

And also it's sad how many posters melt away at that point. Not many people (other than those of us who hang out in this section and recognise bullshit when we see it) feel able to take on these ridiculous viewpoints. It's like "a man has entered the conversation. If we don't listen and learn from his opinions on [e.g. rape laws] then we are not being balanced."

Actually no, that's not how it works.

In answer to your question ISNT, I honestly suspect that they are so unused to having the rights of men to do just about anything to women/girls questioned, that they just can't believe their eyes.

It's pretty depressing isn't it.

That one about "lads mags" etc at kids eye height, and two men saying "no you can't move them this is preposterous! I've never been so outraged in all my life" and when all the women said, um actually we're not going to change our minds, they started with all these random arguments like it'd be impossible and to take on the worldwide fashion and media instead. What? I managed to get the daily star moved to the top shelf in smiths, it's not exactly a big ask is it. And the vast majority of people agree that putting them out of the way is a good idea. I couldn't understand their objections at all TBH.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad, and so clearly a microcosm of what happens everywhere, every time a decision on these issues is made.

Basically it comes down to "I will resort to any argument no matter how ridiculous in order to hang on to my privileged position as a man. If I want to see pornified women as and whenever I like, then I will, and if you try to stop me there are billions of other men out there who are on my side."

You could use this if they bring it back...

Depressing stuff.

I had another slight ding dong with another woman at work, on a similar subject, can you believe it?! I wonder if there are different POV from different sections of the community - the women who are disagreeing vociferously with quite mild comments from me are from a different community (sort of). i guess there must be differences in how these ideas are met within different subcultures (is that the right terminology?), that had never crossed my mind before. I feel a bit dim TBH.

Sorry, I'm really late to this thread but I'm just a bit bowled over by it and need someone to clear it up for me. Excuse me being a bit dense (I blame sleep deprivation :).

Is it really the case that the job centre could put an woman forward for an interview as a phone sex worker or a stripper? I'm actually lost for words? Does this actually happen in practice? Do strip clubs really recruit via job centres?

No, it's been banned now.

And bloody good job too!

The idea that the job centre could suggest (or insist!) that you took such kind of job because if you refuse work they can stop your benefits, can't they?

Can you imagine having benefits stopped because you refused to be a lapdancer?

Shocking.

I am pleased they have made the choice to ban such job ads. They have no place as part of a system that punishes you for not taking any job on offer.

Hello ramblingrosa

The answer to your question is yes they do - a quick google will bring up lots of headlines I will find one for you

The good news is that the govt have just announced the result of a thing set in motion by the previous govt means that they are going to stop the job centres advertising work that counts as "performance". So they will still advertise eg bar work in a strip club, but not the actual stripper jobs. I'm not sure where phone sex falls into that - presumably that's performance work? Dunno.

daily mail link about sex work

announcement from govt

Oh, they're going to stop? I thought they had stopped.

From that govt link "The consultation also showed that the people who worked in this industry could be vulnerable to harassment and discrimination."

really????? you don't say!

How have I missed this?! I must read the papers more .

That is truly shocking. Maybe I'm a prude but I actually think it's rather shocking that a JCP might advertise a bar job in a strip club.

Would there not be sex discrimination issues with this? Would the jobs be offered to male job seekers too? Would they be offered to all women regardless of age, religious/cultural beliefs etc?

You couldn't make it up!

Yes sorry hecate it was with immediate effect.

rosa yes I would have thought sex discrimination, age discrimination, let alone the fact that if you're a woman in that environment you're almost certainly going to get unwanted attention that will be seen as part and parcel of the job and I don't know how that ties in with sexual harrassment in teh workplace laws etc.

I mean if people want to work there it's one thing (different conversation), but a govt body promoting it to people who may be desperate and/or niave and/or not know what they're getting into et cetc is just plain wrong.