Morning all, How about a straw poll?

[ISNT]

Strawpoll is about jobs and adverts for jobs and the job centre.

A judge ruled a few years back that job centres have to advertise any job which is legal. Thus they run ads for webcam roles, escorts, phone sex lines etc.

Is this a good thing, or a bad thing?

I agree,dittany,that is I agree that the sex industry oppresses and exploits women - but not everyone does(goodness knows why)
and that is where the argument that these are just jobs like any other job comes from.
I was trying to look at it and see what specifically makes this type of work different,given that it isn't illegal - you think it is different because it oppresses women,and to me that is a moral argument(and personally I think it is a perfectly good one).

Also we may be looking at "moral" a bit differently - the statement "It's like saying that arguments against racism in employment are "moral". It goes a a lot deeper than that." doesn't compute to me because the idea that a moral argument against something is shallow reverses how I feel.

I am left speechless by the idea that watching and appearing in explicit pornography is a right that 16 and 17 year olds should have. Gah!

God seriously some of these libdems are fucked up (and I say this as a LD voter who until now knew nothing about this shit). What are they playing at? Someone is confusing "being young and cool and hip" with "appealing to sexist arsecandles and exploiting women and girls" again. Such a common error.

Shocking: am totally against these ads and against this bizarre Lib Dems nonsense. What is wrong with them?

I have voted LD in the past too, thankfully I didn't in the last election, I had no idea that policies / ideas like these were sloshing around in the party. Bizarre.

On the moral thing - that was another argument I was met with - that it was "my morality" that said these ads were wrong for the jobcentre, but that different people didn't share that morality and why should my view previal. I wish that I had thought to make the point about prostitution being a legal and actually theoretically excellenf fit for many women who are not working and have children... Would that be OK? If morality is completely out of the question.

I just didn't understand what I was being confronted with TBH. i think I am getting over it now though

"different people didn't share that morality and why should my view previal."

This is when I want to say "because I am right,damn it,and they are wrong" but modern society frowns on taking such a black and white view of life....
The other point is that someone's view has to prevail - why not yours?

I saw that thread too - and it was interesting that a few posts in someone linked an article which gave a completely different spin to the one in the OP but only a few people seemed to consider the situation presented in the second article as likely.

The other interesting thing was that I made an absolutely superb point about how all men know that if a female looks 25 she could well be 21, if she looks 18 she could well be 15 and if she looks 16 she is almost certainly underage. I am repeating it on here as no-one was interested on the other thread

The thing that is odd is that presumably people want the law changed so that having sex with children in never a "statutory" offense, which effectively removes the protection for children with behavioural issues - and if they're sexual issues then it's usually because they;ve been abused.

I wonder how everyone on that thread would feel if it was a 12yo boy?

I have hidden most of MN now as I was spending too much of my time in a rage

Have put a few posts on that other thread.

The parallels with the reaction to the 8yo who was raped are striking - desperation to blame the girl, desperation to exonerate the males.

excellent timing!

How bizarre that it was Ann Summers who fought for the right to have their jobs listed at a Job Centre

Think that comment was from a male.

dittany - I am an opinion former/policy shaper, dontchaknow!

swc on that other thread it's 2 men who think it's a crap idea, plus bonsoir, she who boasted that her children went to play at roman polanski's house. go figure.

shockingly the boyz don't want their pretty boob ladies taken away

You'd think they'd be embarassed wouldn't you.

I guess for them there's nothing embarassing about trying to talk some proper logical sense into our fluffy little heads, they're doing us a favour really, trying to stop us being all silly with things like objecting to the rape anon laws and saying adult men should be prosecuted for sex with 11yo...

[FFS]

and then if we disagree we're "stifling the debate" - loved the comment on the other thread that women perceive porn as having more negative effects than men do.

ROFL yes indeed Elephants.

I've also heard that people with hayfever express more negative views of pollen, than those without.

Can't think why, it's a total and complete mystery.

And yet the belief in the innate "rationality" of men (except in certain cases, like where the mere sight of legs makes them rape apparenty) is such that the poster made that comment without the least awareness of its ridiculousness. The implication was clearly supposed to be "...which proves women are big scaredy cats, because men are by default the best possible judges of their own rapeyness."