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The Moody Bladder Hang Out

124 replies

feettothestars · 10/01/2022 11:27

I thought it would be good to have a mumsnet space for anyone struggling with UTI/painful bladders. It may be that you've been diagnosed with interstitial cystitis, you've got vaginal atrophy, being treated for embedded infection or anything bladder wise causing you grief. It's a place to feel Not Alone.

We probably don't need any posts telling us to use D-Mannose or cranberry, weeing aftet sex or telling us to wipe back to front Smile you can presume we have tried EVERYTHING

About me. I got a straightforward UTI in October that didn't go away easily (my story is in another thread called non-shifting UTI). Now in January I still have issues with pain but things are going in the right direction. I'm taking a health shop worth of supplements. I'm now using topical estrogen Vagifem and trying to get my HRT right as I do think atrophy has been at the root of my problems.

I got very obsessed with embedded infection but two broth cultures found nothing, I no longer have white cells or blood in my urine. I still worry it IS infection as the theory and Prof Malone seems to help people but I think my issue is hormonal. Antibiotics didn't help and gave me thrush and horrific shits. Cons was worried about C. difficile (Dr Anderson) and it's kind of eased a bit since I stopped. Getting the thrush to piss off has been a battle. Maybe I will end up back on the embedded infection route but want to give the HRT a chance.

I had NO idea about vaginal atrophy. But I had signs of weeing more at night over the summer. It's come as a real shock. I feel we need a corner of mumsnet as I have found it to be a truly horrific experience.

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Holothane · 16/01/2022 21:49

I’m dreadful at night sometimes I’m up every half hour I’ve had rashes that nothing would shift someone on here said about yellow nappy rash cream fantastic it cleared up. Scented pads don’t help either they cause the itching to come back. As for a good nights sleep what’s that. Doesn’t help husband must have radio on.

feettothestars · 17/01/2022 10:39

Hi to new folk here. Glad you found us, sorry you have to be here.

@TabithaTiger I'm glad you are finding the treatment is helping you. Cephalexin caused me terrible gut issues and trimethoprim caused a bad reaction. The worry that maybe I can't go down this route is on my mind a lot. Ami is helping me - what dose were you on?

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feettothestars · 17/01/2022 10:42

@nummymummy I had thrush with Blissel but so far OK on vagifem. It's so annoying isn't it, you try to sort out one problem and another one pops up.

@Notnowthankyou I'm glad you're getting on top of things. Have you only drunk water all these years to avoid UTI? I'm pretty bored with water and herb tea but too scared to try anything else. What foods do you avoid, usual IC stuff?

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TabithaTiger · 17/01/2022 12:13

@feettothestars I was really worried about having stomach issues but I've been fine. I don't eat dairy and I do think that makes a difference. Did you take daily probiotics when you were on antibiotics? I was on 10mg amiltriptyline then increased to 25mg. I'm glad it's helping you. It's a shame the antibiotics upset your stomach as I firmly believe that the only way to really be symptom free is to beat the infection. Were you under Harley Street?

feettothestars · 17/01/2022 12:51

@TabithaTiger no not Harley. I saw dr Anderson. This is all new to me, no issues at all since before Nov. It's all wrapped up with meno and there has been no culture that's shown any sign of bacteria (broth culture). So it's thought to be VA/maybe infection but who knows. It wasn't a bit of a dodge tummy, it was constant runs in spite of probiotics and I became very unwell after two weeks. I guess there might be other options.

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applecrumbleforteaagain · 17/01/2022 14:55

@Rubyyyy you can get endometriosis in and around your bladder and tubes so if and when you have surgery to remove the endometriosis make sure they fully investigate for you xx

Notnowthankyou · 17/01/2022 16:54

@feettothestars yes I have mostly drunk water for years! I do love a nice cup of tea, and I sometimes treat myself if I'm not going anywhere, but if I have tea with my breakfast my bladder is uncomfortable for the rest of the day, and sometimes into the night, so I just don't bother.
I mainly avoid spicy foods and tomatoes. The tomatoes also irritate my eczema so they are a definite no. A curry will keep me up for hours.
I have a feeling I might have to add chocolate to my list of banned foods. I keep eating it to prove to myself that I can, but that isn't really working!
I forgot to mention that I take an antihistamine every day, primarily because of my eczema, but I read recently that it can help with cystitis so maybe that is also helping.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 19/01/2022 14:08

@TabithaTiger

Hello, I've found me people!

I've suffered with bladder problems for years. What I thought was repeat infections, but samples always came up clear when sent to lab. I've been through urodynamics, cystoscopies, bladder installations, abs have tried pretty much every herbal remedy and supplement you can imagine.

Last year I decided to bite the bullet and pay to see a private specialist at Professor Malone Lee's Harley Street clinic. I was diagnosed with an embedded infection and I'm now in treatment and taking long term antibiotics. I'm so feeling so much better, still get some frequency, but no longer feeling tired and generally unwell all the time. I take 4x 500mg cephalexin daily and 2 x hiprex tablets.

I have huge sympathy with anyone suffering from this condition , it's so draining and really impacts your quality of life. I would really encourage anyone who's wavering about treatment to do it, I put it off for a long time as I worried about cost and about the side effects of being in long term antibiotics, but now wish I'd done it years ago.

If you're unable to look at this option, I would recommend getting your GP to prescribe amitriptyline, that's the only thing that really seemed to make a difference for me as it relaxes the nerves and calms everything down, relieving some of the pain and urgency.

TabithaTiger if you don’t mind me asking, how much was it to go to Professor Malone? Feel free to PM me if you don’t want to say on here. I have not response recovered from a UTI 7 weeks ago but tbh have had ongoing issues for 5 years now.
VioletRose91 · 19/01/2022 17:20

Has anyone had tests done for mycoplasma/ureaplasma? I’ve done abit of research and apparently they can cause chronic uti symptoms?

Might be clutching at straws but anything is worth looking into?!

TabithaTiger · 19/01/2022 19:43

@SinisterBumFacedCat they charge £250 for the first appointment and £200 for each follow up appointment. They like to see you every four months. There is a charge if you need advice by phone or email on between, I've not had to do this so far.

My GP is happy give me NHS prescriptions. Harley Street sent them a letter with the diagnosis and treatment plan. Not all GP's will do this though so some people have to pay for private prescriptions, I'm not sure how much this is.

Ouchouchowwwww · 09/03/2023 16:10

Hello - any updates from anyone on here? I have ongoing terrible thrush/burning/UTI issues. Vulva and bladder are a mess! So many of these posts felt familiar, especially about being linked to hormones. Would welcome any updates!!

LancashireSquirrel · 09/03/2023 16:50

Still the same symptoms here for me unfortunately.

Rubyyyy · 09/03/2023 19:37

The burning continues for me!

Rubyyyy · 09/03/2023 19:40

Also found my symptoms get better whilst on my period, once I stop bleeding the pain comes back, including the burning urethra. 🔥 I've had more swabs at the GPS and sti clinic all negative. I'm exhausted!

Ouchouchowwwww · 09/03/2023 21:41

@Rubyyyy sounds exactly like me!! Do you find yours are constant when not on your period? Mine is weirdly intermittent. Wake up in the morning fine then it builds through the day. Totally mystified.

sorry to hear still there @LancashireSquirrel 😔

LancashireSquirrel · 09/03/2023 22:00

What are your symptoms @Ouchouchowwwww

Ouchouchowwwww · 10/03/2023 08:47

@LancashireSquirrel i have a whole thread on it called something about my fiery vulva 😂 no shame!!

Basically been dealing with weird intermittent burning pain in my vulva/urethra for the last several months. No pain in actually weeing but feels quite bladdery if that makes sense and feels worse when I need a wee. Tried UTI antibiotics, lots of thrush treatment, BV etc. doctor says everything looks normal externally. No itching or discharge. Urine culture grew nothing. Seems very linked to my cycle.

wellthisisakward · 11/03/2023 20:11

Yet another symptom that I've had for a few years, and I don't want to be "that" poster that says "have you tried"

But something that helped massively for me was the discovery that I have high histamine, I discovered this as I was highly allergic to HRT, it's linked to my endometriosis.

Anyhow there is a link to endometriosis, high histamine, high oestrogen and diet.

So I cut out all tomato based foods, I take 3 anti histamines a day (from Amazon) and 3 months in I have pretty much calmed down the bladder pains.

Cupofteaaa5 · 11/03/2023 20:18

I'm sure most of you on here have had tests/scans done, but for anyone who's been fobbed off by their GP with "overactive bladder" or repeatedly given antibiotics for UTIs which don't seem to shift with no referrals/scans done... Demand one.

Because I went through this and it turns out my bladder issues are caused by a huge ovarian cyst which is pressing on it. I wanted to throttle the GP who kept telling me it was a case of "mind over matter" and I needed to learn to "train my bladder" and cut out acidic foods.

Ouchouchowwwww · 11/03/2023 21:49

@Cupofteaaa5 so glad you got an answer! I’ve had scans and all looks normal. Sadly as at this point just want a solution!

thankd @wellthisisakward interesting. How did you determine high histamines? Is there a test?

I can’t work out if the pain is my urethra or my vulva. Not my vagina. Have tried to look with a mirror but just can’t work it out

wellthisisakward · 11/03/2023 21:58

@Ouchouchowwwww I had a reaction to HRT, twice high heart rate, panic attacks, 3 days of anxiety and awful bladder and vaginal symptoms and called Newson health and they gave me so much information about histamine reactions to HRT, it's changed my life.

I then read up on the symptoms and food triggers and with my endometriosis, hay fever, allergies food issues and realised all of these symptoms are less frequent during the spring and summer, for my whole life.

Then the penny dropped, when I've been taking anti-histamines.

The biggest eye opening moment was the fact I've always said I felt amazing during pregnancy literally top of the world loads of energy, and that's when the body creates high anti histamine.

It's just a case of piecing it all together, and now taking daily histamine has stopped a large amount of my symptoms and my 3 year bladder IC and inflammation has gradually calmed down.

So for me the connection of food and my histamine levels have been causing a perfect storm all these years.

Ouchouchowwwww · 12/03/2023 10:57

@wellthisisakward tHanks, will keep it in mind!

The most confusing bit for me is that i wake up fine in the morning and then symptoms develop as the day goes in. Isn’t that odd? Seems like would be all the time?

LancashireSquirrel · 12/03/2023 13:18

@Ouchouchowwwww I have this too, and then settles again in the evening (most of the time).. I've figured out it's as soon as my bladder fills after my morning tea it just gets angrier and angrier as the day goes on.

SwordBilledHummingbird · 04/04/2023 17:08

Hi everyone, I'm very glad to stumble across this thread, though sorry to read that so many of you are suffering.

My story:

I'm 42 and have suffered with recurrent UTIs since the age of 17. This was investigated with an ultrasound at around age 19 then again at around age 34. All clear. Before going on prophylactic antibiotics, signs of infection were picked up in the urine dip tests but nothing has ever been grown in a lab from one of my samples.

My infections are always nasty (rapid onset, a lot of visible blood, absolute agony) but earlier this year I developed the most severe one yet and ended up at A&E with a suspected kidney infection. In total, I was in varying amounts of agony for a full six weeks and had five lots of antibiotics. I'm still suffering some low level irritation that flares up every now and again. We had a big holiday planned and have had to move it to next year as I wasn't well enough to travel.

Various GPs have started making noises about Painful Bladder Sydrome (PBS)/Interstitial Cystitis so I was referred to a urology yet again and opted to go private upon finding out that the NHS wait is 54 weeks in my area. I'm already off work sick with a chronic illness (POTS) and even without that wouldn't be able to work when my bladder is flared up. The private urologist carried out a rigid cystoscopy yesterday and he saw nothing to indicate PBS. Which is surprising to me but good because it means it really is atypical infection presentation and we can hopefully at least move towards better management now. He did take some biopsies so I will find out when I have my follow-up appointment if that showed anything. He did say something interesting at my initial consultation, which is that sometimes problems are caused by a proliferation of MAST cells (histamine related) in the bladder lining. This is interesting because I have hEDS and POTS and strongly suspect MCAS (MAST Cell Activation Syndrome). I have many of the symptoms of MCAS and it commonly co-occurs with hEDS and POTS. I also found some research to suggest that women with hEDS are less likely to produce a positive urine culture even with active infection, which I think could be relevant here, and will be showing him this research as he seemed very interested in my comorbidities and very open to listening.

Other details that are relevant but don't fit above: Cefalexin is the only antibiotic that is guaranteed to work for me, Trimethoprim and Nitrofurantion are hit and miss. More miss usually. I've been on prophylactic Cefalexin for years at a high dose (500mg per day), which worked a treat. I reluctantly agreed to reduce it to 250mg per day and that's when the problems restarted. Unfortunately, the GP I spoke to when I developed the most recent infection decided that the Cefalexin wasn't doing anything, stopped it and prescribed Hiprex instead. The Hiprex caused the worst burning I've experienced in my life and made everything a lot worse. And guess which antibiotic eventually cleared the infection? Cefalexin of course. But it had progressed so much by that point that I needed a huge dose of 3g per day for 10 days to clear it. I suspect that the ongoing flare ups I've had since then are simply because the infection was so bad and my bladder and urethra are just incredibly angry. Oh, I've also been prescribed Ovestin in case the recent problems are peri-menopause related. I'm not convinced but have persisted even though the cream causes... yep, you guessed it - burning! I've put it on hold until I recover from the cystoscopy as I'm currently peeing ground glass (well it feels like it anyway!) and can't deal with anything adding to that.

Final interesting (to me!) thing: When I have an active infection I have the usual symptoms of burning/stinging with urination, which eases somewhat after emptying my bladder. The lower abdominal burning then increases again as my bladder fills, along with needing to urinate as often as every 20 minutes. When the infection is severe the pain is severe and almost constant but there's still the cycle of it being slightly improved after emptying my bladder though it ramps up again very quickly. The recent discomfort, after the infection had cleared, was completely the opposite. Pain with and after urination, which eventually fades then restarts with the next passing of urine. No overactive bladder and nights are comfortable unless I wake with a normal urge to empty my bladder, at which point the pain cycle restarts until the burning fades allowing me to get back to sleep. If I'm careful with liquid intake before bed I can get through the night only getting up once or even sleeping through but that's not possible with an infection, as I'm sure you all know! When I have an infection, nights are dreadful as I'm frequently (easily six+ times) being woken up by the pain, burning and need to urinate. This also did make my suspect that it was just irritation rather than PBS/IC as my understanding is that the symptoms are more like that of an infection.

Anyway, apologies for the long story, I did try to keep it short believe it or not! I just wanted to share my story but also to say that if anyone here has any of these comorbidities, or suspects them, they could very well be relevant to your moody bladder issues, especially if your cultures repeatedly fail to show anything yet everything else points to bacterial infection.

Ouchouchowwwww · 05/04/2023 20:11

@SwordBilledHummingbird sounds quite similar to me!! ESP the cefalexin being the only effective one and the frequencies.

Also interesting that recent discomfort has been different to your classic presentation as I have found that too.

Really interested in what you find out about MCAS. Would antihistamines help? God wouldn’t that be brilliant if it was as simple a solution as that haha. Keep us updated! Sorry you’re in pain x

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