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Constant UTI like symptoms for a month, no infection, no previous UTI’s, incredibly desperate

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doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 19:10

Apologies in advance for the long read, this is my first time posting here after reading lots of threads over the years that have really helped me. I’m at my limit with whatever is going on. I will try and give a complete breakdown of symptoms and everything I had tried in the hopes that someone can help me.

I will preface this by saying that I do have a nervous bladder, but that I never get UTI’s and if I have ever had one it would have been when I was a teenager (I am 27 and not pregnant).

I rang up the doctors on the 4th December as I was having weird tingling when I went for a wee, the tingling was in my lower right hand side, and didn’t feel like what I thought a UTI would feel like. He told me to wait 24 hours and if it didn’t resolve then to take the antibiotics. I ended up waiting the whole weekend, because I had no other symptoms other than the tingling and I didn’t want to use antibiotics unnecessarily and have to deal with all the side effects. Still no better by Monday, so I took the Nitrofurantoin just in case. Took for three days, I thought it was getting better, but wasn’t completely gone, and didn’t want a rebound effect, so was prescribed four more days. They sent off my urine for a culture test and it was clear.

After finishing these I started to get bladder pressure, so on the 12th December I went to the pharmacy to get some cystitis sachets, which seemed to help a little with the pressure, as well as drinking loads, but after I finished them it seemed the same as before. At this point I was only getting relief when I needed a wee. It sounds strange, but my bladder/urethra/whatever is the problem was so irritated when I was empty, that having a small amount of urine in there seemed to help. Still not burning symptoms, and I managed to get slight relief when urinating, and I was peeing a lot when I went. Urine was totally clear. No blood, no protein, nothing.

I ended up ringing the doctors again and saying that I started to have pressure and felt like I needed a wee really regularly, but that I was going a lot when I went. She told me to bring in another urine sample, which again, came back clear. I was drinking so much water that I was worried I was diluting the samples. My urine always seems to be very clear because I get very thirsty and drink so much water.

By this point I was very stressed about Christmas looming and doctors being closed, as well as not wanting to go near hospitals because of Corona. On the 24th they prescribed me Trimethoprim for seven days. By the night of the 26th I was so in so much constant discomfort that I rang 111 and paid for a private GP appointment. Both of them said that because my urine was clear it didn’t sound like an infection, plus the fact I had no burning, and was able to pass lots of urine.

By the 27th I hadn’t slept for two days. It felt like something was sat on my bladder, and every time I breathed the movement would make me feel intense pressure and like I needed to urinate. I was still getting relief when I went for a wee, but only momentarily. I ended up going to the hospital nearest me because the discomfort was so unbearable, paired with not sleeping for two days, I had a panic attack. (The whole experience was quite traumatic (underfunded hospital, people screaming in pain after being ignored for 10+ hours, no sanitizer or much covid compliance anywhere). It felt like there was something wrong, and I didn’t understand why nothing was working. I waited in A&E for nine hours, all bloods were normal, dipsticks normal (I know these aren’t accurate) on my period so couldnt say whether blood in my urine. Because of this they only let me see a hospital GP in the morning. She didn’t have any answers, and prescribed me seven days of flucolazole in case it was thrush irritating my bladder. I was very emotional at this point, and kept crying every time I spoke to someone. The pressure was so intense that I wasn’t eating or sleeping or even managing to distract myself. I couldn’t focus. My boyfriend, who is an angel, but struggles with MH issues, was finding it hard to cope.

I was in so much unbearable discomfort that I went back to another A&E the following night. I had said to my boyfriend that I was in so much discomfort that I didn’t know how I could carry on. They still had no answers, due to clear urine and bloods. So they have me Diclofenac suppositories to help with any inflammation, and dihydrocodeine to sleep. They also told me to stop taking the Trimethoprim, as it was day four and still not working. I ended up sleeping, but the dihydrocodeine slowed my bladder down so much that I was finding it hard to urinate, and it was only working by knocking me out. I would wake up in the night and still feel how uncomfortable I was, it didn’t seem to do anything to get rid of the discomfort.

My mum marched me back to the same A&E the following day, convinced I had another kidney stone (I had a suspected one previously, but that was agony), she couldn’t understand why they kept sending me home without doing further investigations (she's a nurse). Doctors kept talking vaguely about referrals, then I was told that referrals were paused because of Corona, and I can barely make it through the night. I had a doctor who was very sweet but kept getting sidetracked with my gynae problems (polycystic ovaries etc) and pushed for a gynae referral. He explained that because I was walking around okay and my urine/bloods were clear that they couldn’t scan me. At this point I was getting very stressed about being in hospitals multiple times with everything going on, but really I was/am desperate.

I’ve been researching like crazy, infections that aren’t picked up my culture/dipsticks, antibiotics not working, gynae things pressing on bladder, Interstitial cystitis (I have never had UTI problems before, this came on suddenly and is not affected by what I eat or drink).

Nothing brings relief. Literally nothing. I’m going out of my mind. It has developed into more classical UTI symptoms now. Feeling like I need a wee all the time and when I go I have to push and hardly anything comes out, and it feels really tight down there, like I'm pushing against a wall to try and pee. The constant pressure on my actual bladder is less, but the feeling like I need to wee all the time is there even when I'm currently going. It feels like I just need to do a massive wee to get it all out. But my urine is still clear, I have dipsticks at home. My mind is bouncing from thing to thing trying to figure out how to cure this. Do I need another round of different antibiotics, or is there really nothing there? This is so abnormal for me. And all I’m doing is crying and laying in bed and knocking myself out at night.

None of the doctors have an answer, they keep talking about referrals far off in the future when I’m so uncomfortable I can’t even distract myself. Now I’m worrying that I have urine retention, my flow was very strong before and now I have to push to get it out. I have a GUM appointment on Monday but know they won’t find anything, A&E can’t do anything for me so what’s left? I mentioned about getting a private urology appointment, because my life has completely imploded this past week, but the doctor said that it will be pushed back because of Corona. I have tried D-Mannose for a few days but felt absolutely no difference (should I keep trying with it?), I’m only drinking water and eating plain foods, taking OptiBac probiotics. I’ve ordered Uva Ursi though slightly confused about needing acidic urine to fight infection, and them making it alkaline. I’m still taking the oral antifungals. The only other thing I can think to mention is that the doctor said that my kidney was slightly off baseline (I think this was the terminology) in my blood test, but she didn’t seem overly concerned. I’m kicking myself I didn’t ask her to elaborate but was desperately trying to get a referral (they seem only interested in referring me to gynae). I tried to get an answer from the doctors today but nothing. I do have excessive thirst regularly and my urine is always always incredibly clear but I think they would have picked up diabetes or anything like that on my bloods. Last month I did ask to be referred back to Gynae because I was having period type pains all month, but I’ve never had anything like this before.

I think this would be more bearable if I could get any sort of relief. Or if I felt like I was certain I wasn’t suffering with an infection. Do I just need stronger antibiotics for longer? I'm so terrified of all these chronic IC stories, I can't imagine having to live with this feeling all the time. Deep down it feels like there's an infection, but surely that would at least respond to some sort of antibiotic or something? I wondered if it was urethritis and needed some different kind of antibiotics, but I'm not sure how I'd find out. I'm so desperate for something that will take this feeling away. I just need hope.

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GwendolineMarysLaces · 01/01/2021 19:16

Make an appointment here:

www.tenharleystreet.co.uk/sites/chronic-urinary-tract-infection-clinic-at-10-harley-street

They are still working, I'm one of their patients. Good luck

doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 19:22

@GwendolineMarysLaces I have heard people talking about Dr Malone-Lee but was worried the waiting list would be months, thank you for giving me a bit of hope

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GwendolineMarysLaces · 01/01/2021 19:32

Give them a ring. I suffered for 12 years like you are. The sooner you get sorted the better. I always think that the way that your bladder going wrong affects pretty much every aspect of your life and therefore quality of life is quite astonishing

Serenschintte · 01/01/2021 19:43

In the mean time keep taking the Dmannose. I have to take it for quite a while to keep the effect - a week. And maybe look up any Herbal remedies as well.

Jet888 · 01/01/2021 19:47

Could you have thrush from antibiotics? That can make urine symptoms worse. I went to a womens health physio as hypertonic pelvic floor (too tight) from stress gave me feelings of constant bladder pressure. Could be worth a try?

doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 19:48

@GwendolineMarysLaces Thank you, I will give them a ring. You are totally right, I can't imagine having this for 12 years, I hope you're finally getting relief

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doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 19:50

@Serenschintte ah okay, I will stick with the D mannose, everyone said they had such quick relief I was worried that it wasn't working for me. How often do you take it? I got some sachets from boots and they say to take one a day? I've ordered some urva ursi but have heard that it can just cover up the symptoms of an infection

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doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 19:51

@Jet888 I'm currently taking 50mg of fluconazole a day, until tomorrow. I think I did have a little thrush, but it doesn't seem to be doing much for the feeling like I need to go/not being able to get it all out

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jalopy · 01/01/2021 19:52

Interstitial cystitis?

doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 20:00

@jalopy I think it would be a bit strange for it to come on suddenly after not having any UTI problems ever (apart from anxious bladder), and also makes no difference depending on what I eat (I've only been drinking water and plain food for a week). It seems that a lot of IC is actually undiagnosed infections, and I really want to avoid that :(

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Onmyright · 01/01/2021 20:06

I had something very similar in the summer but no so much of the pressure you have and not going on so long. I took a large teaspoon of breadsoda in water as a staring dose and then less but a least 4 times per day for the first couple of days and ate natural probiotic yoghurt with lactobacillus acidophilus and applied as well to the irritated area. Please read up and decide if it suits you before trying but it cleared up my problem in 3 days.

lambo88 · 01/01/2021 20:06

Has the hospital not done any scans xxx

DayBath · 01/01/2021 20:14

You say the doctor didn't give you any info about your kidneys being slightly off, perhaps you could get a copy of the test results so you know exactly what they mean. If this was a hospital doctor then email or ring the PALS team for the hospital trust and they will happily get that info for you.

I would be inclined to pay for a private ultrasound of the bladder and surrounding area to check for any growths. You may need to shop around as some of my local private services are still running and others aren't, depending on how much NHS backlog they're taking on. Just ring a few places locally to get an idea.

If you have polycystic ovaries could you have a very large cyst pressing on the bladder? Did they check for that?

over50andfab · 01/01/2021 20:23

Hi OP, from what you write, a few ideas:

  1. Embedded UTI. Dr Malcolm Lee is the most well known but there are others. Try finding a private fb support group perhaps to get more info. If it is then treatment is long term ABs.

  2. D-mannose - yes, great idea to continue and you won’t necessarily get overnight relief so persevere. Take once a day and check out Amazon/Holland and Barratt to buy in larger quantity. Also have a look at kefir in chilled section in supermarkets - great probiotic for gut health.

  3. Uterine fibroids - usually non cancerous growths that if next to the bladder and large can cause bladder issues

  4. Might sound a bit way out but - hormone related GSM - Genitourinary Syndrome of Menopause, also called vaginal atrophy. Due to fluctuating estrogen levels one of the things that can happen is bladder frequency, tingling, permanent need to wee and as soon as you do need to go again. This is due to thinning skin of the urethral tract so urine irritates it and causes inflammation. Women who are breastfeeding can also get it. Treatment is by vaginal estrogen pessary or cream that can also be applied to the vulva.

Not sure if that helps or confuses but just some thoughts. Hope you get it sorted. In the meantime try to drink lots of water as if urine is more concentrated it can irritate (though you do say yours is clear). Richer food, alcohol, cake etc can also have a knock on effect to the bladder so keep an eye on what you’re eating/drinking.

Wireless77 · 01/01/2021 20:34

I've been struggling with my bladder since August. All started with a slow burning UTI that got probably treated too late. Eventually went private (many private consultants see patients as normal despite Corona), had CT scan and MRI done, all normal. Been on different antibiotics for long weeks now to try and crack it. Urine samples sometimes grow bacteria, sometimes come back as mixed or insignificant growth that NHS considers contamination and dismisses them. My dip tests are nearly always negative, even if cultures grow. Only had a positive dip test when I was very unwell. If you can, try to see a private GP who agrees to treat based on symptoms (your tests might have been negative as you were on antibiotics already). Also, if your urine was very dilute when giving a sample, it may have shown a false negative. Another antibiotic like Cephalexin might help if Nitrofurantoin and Trimethoprim did not (infection may have moved up from the bladder as you're having abdominal pain and pressure). If you can, try and pay for a private abdominal ultrasound (this might be somewhat affordable in comparison to MRI unless you have medical insurance). This could help to exclude ovarian cysts, bigger kidney stones etc. Keep pushing for help, Corona or not. I know too well how horrible this is. In the meantime, hot water bottle may help with pressure together with over the counter painkillers.

doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 20:35

@lambo88 they didn't, I think they were very overwhelmed with covid patients and basically said that because I was managing to walk around and not doubled over in agony that they couldn't scan me that day, the junior doctor I had really pushed but the senior vetoed

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doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 20:40

@DayBath I spoke with my local GP but she will have got the results from a hospital blood test, wondering if I can still ring up the hospital and find out or would have to wait for the GP to open on Monday?

I think you're right, I can't wait forever for a scan, I have been referred to Gynae but have no idea how long that will take. Even if it's just to rule out that nothing is pressing on my bladder, as I have a lot of gynae problems and haven't had a scan in a couple of years. I will try a few places as I only thought about ringing my most local and hopefully I can get seen quickly

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DayBath · 01/01/2021 20:43

I would wait until Monday and get the GP to print you a copy of the test results and leave them on reception for you to collect. PALS don't always work weekends so it will probably be quicker and easier that way. Get them to print out all hospital correspondence and test results between the dates you're interested in. You have a right to a copy of your notes and they're usually quite helpful with it but they may ask for ID when you collect just to be safe.

cherrypie790 · 01/01/2021 20:43

I'm convinced that I've got interstitial cystitis OP, and spent most of November in complete agony. GP gave me 7 days of nitrofurantoin, but it didn't touch the sides. I did 3 samples, and all were clear.

One thing did jump out at me though - you mentioned being thirsty and drinking alot. I'm diabetic, and when my blood sugars are high, I can drink gallons and gallons without it ever quenching my thirst. Have you ever had your blood sugar checked? It's really hard throwing infection off if you are diabetic.

FWIW my GP told to me to throw the D Mannose I was taking in the bin, and it was ineffectual. I have to say it did nothing for me, and I took for nearly a month at a high dose. One thing that did help me was Buscopan, which is an anti spasmodic aimed at treating IBS but I saw it recommended somewhere and it did help.

gifmenu · 01/01/2021 20:45

I had similar symptoms that I think stemmed from an UTI that want properly treated in the first place. Eventually cleared up with 7 days nitrofuratoin followed by three months nitrofuration prophalatically. I still had ongoing issues that eventually cleared up but I think even after the infection was gone my bladder was so inflamed. However although it was painful it felt different to the constant urge to urinate and pressure in my bladder.

doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 20:46

@over50andfab

Thank you so much for all your suggestions.

  1. I did think this, and will contact his clinic, but wasn't sure if it could be embedded if I had only had symptoms for a month?
  1. I shall persevere with the D-mannose, I think I was expecting quick results from all the stories and ruled it out when I didn't get them
  1. I'm going to try and find somewhere and get a scan, though I know bladder/gynae scans are done a bit differently (needing to drink water before vs not) so not sure if I would have to specify which I needed. As I have been having intermittent uterine pain that my GPs aren't being particularly helpful about
  1. I did wonder this. My downstairs is quite dry, I think my hormones are all over the place. But I wasn't sure if that would have this severe of an impact in such a short place of time.

I really appreciate you taking the time out to give me advice, it's making me feel a little more hopeful. I just want to find the root cause

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lambo88 · 01/01/2021 20:50

Keep pushing hun whoever u see as u shouldn't feel like that...even if u have to go private xx

Isolatedizzy · 01/01/2021 20:52

How old are you?
I went through about 18 months of UTI's and what I thought was thrush but was actually vaginal atrophy - I was 46.

Just saw something about it on a website, saw a female Gp - she took one look at my nether regions and said how long have you been putting up with this?

Prescribed Vagifem, not one single UTI since!

doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 20:54

@Wireless77 this is really interesting, and sounds very similar. I'm so sorry you're having to go through this, is it getting better? I'm going to really push for a scan to rule out anything pressing on anything. I think I've got used to a certain level of gynae pain so sort of kicking myself that I haven't kicked up a bigger fuss about getting a scan before all this started. Do you think there would be any downsides to taking Cephalexin even if I don't have an infection? I agreed to stop the Trimethoprim early because the doctor said it would have worked by day four, and at this point I was wondering if it was all stemming from untreated thrush (I don't think it is now, after treating the thrush....but again...don't know if I've treated it for long enough) it all feels like guess work. Doctors don't seem to realise how desperate it is, and obviously corona complicating everything, it feels slightly like I'm stuck in a nightmare

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doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 20:56

@DayBath okay great, I didn't even realise I could do this. Both my parents are nurses so they should be able to help me make sense of everything, thank you

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