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Constant UTI like symptoms for a month, no infection, no previous UTI’s, incredibly desperate

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doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 19:10

Apologies in advance for the long read, this is my first time posting here after reading lots of threads over the years that have really helped me. I’m at my limit with whatever is going on. I will try and give a complete breakdown of symptoms and everything I had tried in the hopes that someone can help me.

I will preface this by saying that I do have a nervous bladder, but that I never get UTI’s and if I have ever had one it would have been when I was a teenager (I am 27 and not pregnant).

I rang up the doctors on the 4th December as I was having weird tingling when I went for a wee, the tingling was in my lower right hand side, and didn’t feel like what I thought a UTI would feel like. He told me to wait 24 hours and if it didn’t resolve then to take the antibiotics. I ended up waiting the whole weekend, because I had no other symptoms other than the tingling and I didn’t want to use antibiotics unnecessarily and have to deal with all the side effects. Still no better by Monday, so I took the Nitrofurantoin just in case. Took for three days, I thought it was getting better, but wasn’t completely gone, and didn’t want a rebound effect, so was prescribed four more days. They sent off my urine for a culture test and it was clear.

After finishing these I started to get bladder pressure, so on the 12th December I went to the pharmacy to get some cystitis sachets, which seemed to help a little with the pressure, as well as drinking loads, but after I finished them it seemed the same as before. At this point I was only getting relief when I needed a wee. It sounds strange, but my bladder/urethra/whatever is the problem was so irritated when I was empty, that having a small amount of urine in there seemed to help. Still not burning symptoms, and I managed to get slight relief when urinating, and I was peeing a lot when I went. Urine was totally clear. No blood, no protein, nothing.

I ended up ringing the doctors again and saying that I started to have pressure and felt like I needed a wee really regularly, but that I was going a lot when I went. She told me to bring in another urine sample, which again, came back clear. I was drinking so much water that I was worried I was diluting the samples. My urine always seems to be very clear because I get very thirsty and drink so much water.

By this point I was very stressed about Christmas looming and doctors being closed, as well as not wanting to go near hospitals because of Corona. On the 24th they prescribed me Trimethoprim for seven days. By the night of the 26th I was so in so much constant discomfort that I rang 111 and paid for a private GP appointment. Both of them said that because my urine was clear it didn’t sound like an infection, plus the fact I had no burning, and was able to pass lots of urine.

By the 27th I hadn’t slept for two days. It felt like something was sat on my bladder, and every time I breathed the movement would make me feel intense pressure and like I needed to urinate. I was still getting relief when I went for a wee, but only momentarily. I ended up going to the hospital nearest me because the discomfort was so unbearable, paired with not sleeping for two days, I had a panic attack. (The whole experience was quite traumatic (underfunded hospital, people screaming in pain after being ignored for 10+ hours, no sanitizer or much covid compliance anywhere). It felt like there was something wrong, and I didn’t understand why nothing was working. I waited in A&E for nine hours, all bloods were normal, dipsticks normal (I know these aren’t accurate) on my period so couldnt say whether blood in my urine. Because of this they only let me see a hospital GP in the morning. She didn’t have any answers, and prescribed me seven days of flucolazole in case it was thrush irritating my bladder. I was very emotional at this point, and kept crying every time I spoke to someone. The pressure was so intense that I wasn’t eating or sleeping or even managing to distract myself. I couldn’t focus. My boyfriend, who is an angel, but struggles with MH issues, was finding it hard to cope.

I was in so much unbearable discomfort that I went back to another A&E the following night. I had said to my boyfriend that I was in so much discomfort that I didn’t know how I could carry on. They still had no answers, due to clear urine and bloods. So they have me Diclofenac suppositories to help with any inflammation, and dihydrocodeine to sleep. They also told me to stop taking the Trimethoprim, as it was day four and still not working. I ended up sleeping, but the dihydrocodeine slowed my bladder down so much that I was finding it hard to urinate, and it was only working by knocking me out. I would wake up in the night and still feel how uncomfortable I was, it didn’t seem to do anything to get rid of the discomfort.

My mum marched me back to the same A&E the following day, convinced I had another kidney stone (I had a suspected one previously, but that was agony), she couldn’t understand why they kept sending me home without doing further investigations (she's a nurse). Doctors kept talking vaguely about referrals, then I was told that referrals were paused because of Corona, and I can barely make it through the night. I had a doctor who was very sweet but kept getting sidetracked with my gynae problems (polycystic ovaries etc) and pushed for a gynae referral. He explained that because I was walking around okay and my urine/bloods were clear that they couldn’t scan me. At this point I was getting very stressed about being in hospitals multiple times with everything going on, but really I was/am desperate.

I’ve been researching like crazy, infections that aren’t picked up my culture/dipsticks, antibiotics not working, gynae things pressing on bladder, Interstitial cystitis (I have never had UTI problems before, this came on suddenly and is not affected by what I eat or drink).

Nothing brings relief. Literally nothing. I’m going out of my mind. It has developed into more classical UTI symptoms now. Feeling like I need a wee all the time and when I go I have to push and hardly anything comes out, and it feels really tight down there, like I'm pushing against a wall to try and pee. The constant pressure on my actual bladder is less, but the feeling like I need to wee all the time is there even when I'm currently going. It feels like I just need to do a massive wee to get it all out. But my urine is still clear, I have dipsticks at home. My mind is bouncing from thing to thing trying to figure out how to cure this. Do I need another round of different antibiotics, or is there really nothing there? This is so abnormal for me. And all I’m doing is crying and laying in bed and knocking myself out at night.

None of the doctors have an answer, they keep talking about referrals far off in the future when I’m so uncomfortable I can’t even distract myself. Now I’m worrying that I have urine retention, my flow was very strong before and now I have to push to get it out. I have a GUM appointment on Monday but know they won’t find anything, A&E can’t do anything for me so what’s left? I mentioned about getting a private urology appointment, because my life has completely imploded this past week, but the doctor said that it will be pushed back because of Corona. I have tried D-Mannose for a few days but felt absolutely no difference (should I keep trying with it?), I’m only drinking water and eating plain foods, taking OptiBac probiotics. I’ve ordered Uva Ursi though slightly confused about needing acidic urine to fight infection, and them making it alkaline. I’m still taking the oral antifungals. The only other thing I can think to mention is that the doctor said that my kidney was slightly off baseline (I think this was the terminology) in my blood test, but she didn’t seem overly concerned. I’m kicking myself I didn’t ask her to elaborate but was desperately trying to get a referral (they seem only interested in referring me to gynae). I tried to get an answer from the doctors today but nothing. I do have excessive thirst regularly and my urine is always always incredibly clear but I think they would have picked up diabetes or anything like that on my bloods. Last month I did ask to be referred back to Gynae because I was having period type pains all month, but I’ve never had anything like this before.

I think this would be more bearable if I could get any sort of relief. Or if I felt like I was certain I wasn’t suffering with an infection. Do I just need stronger antibiotics for longer? I'm so terrified of all these chronic IC stories, I can't imagine having to live with this feeling all the time. Deep down it feels like there's an infection, but surely that would at least respond to some sort of antibiotic or something? I wondered if it was urethritis and needed some different kind of antibiotics, but I'm not sure how I'd find out. I'm so desperate for something that will take this feeling away. I just need hope.

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doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 22:41

Though I'm slightly worried that things started to get quite bad quite quickly when I was taking the trimethoprim, but I can't see a reason for them being the sole reason for my condition to worsen....unless it really was an overgrowth of thrush irritating my bladder. It's hard to know

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GwendolineMarysLaces · 01/01/2021 22:44

I got an IC diagnosis with no previous history of UTI. Now treated as a bladder wall infection with long-term antibiotics

GwendolineMarysLaces · 01/01/2021 22:46

@ConcertinaWorm

I’ve been a patient of Professor Malone-Lee since 2018. He has changed my life. It’s the best money I have ever spent after 6 years of hell and being told that because samples come back from the lab clear I can’t have an infection. A check on a fresh sample at The Harley St clinic showed I had a severe infection that had been getting worse as it had not been treated. I’d been for scans, MRIs, cystoscopy, bladder stretches, bladder installations at my local hospital trust and nothing did a thing. If there is any way you can afford it please go. The quicker you get the right treatment the quicker you will clear what is probably a chronic infection. Mine is a long long job as it had reached the stage where my bladder was full of ulcers .
This is exactly the same as my history except I'd had symptoms for 12 years before I saw prof M-L
CharlW1 · 01/01/2021 23:13

I really do feel for you!
I've suffered reoccurant UTIs since I was 18 and I'm now 42. From age 21 to 27 I was on one cephalexin tablet a day to prevent UTIs - this worked really well. Once I stopped taking it at 27 I had 2 years where I was absolutely fine and then nearer to 30 it all started up again, so I went back on it and took it every day through both of my pregnancies (one at 34 and the other at 36). After both pregnancies things seemed to get much better and I went a couple of years without any infections.
The last 2 years have been bad again with numerous UTIs (nothing ever showing up when samples have been sent) and because of the 3 day ridiculous anti biotics I have then had numerous kidney infections.
I honestly don't think GPs are well equipped at all in dealing with UTIs or bladder pain. I've been fobbed off so much because nothing showed in the sample and then because of not being given antibiotics or just a 3 day course, I've ended up with kidney infections.
After being well and truly fed up I insisted to the GP that they refer me to the Urologist. This was in October and 6 weeks later I spoke to the Urologist who has put me back on antibiotics and also arranged a scan on my bladder and kidneys - I had this scan 4 weeks a go (2 weeks after he'd requested it).
There has been tons of great advice already but this is what I would advise:

  • carry on taking the Dmannose- my urologist recommended i buy a strong strength and just take 1 at night before I go to bed. This has really worked for me
  • ask for a referral to the Urologist. Like me you will hopefully be surprised at how quickly you can have a phone appointment and this way you will also have a scan arranged
  • ask to be put on a strong antibiotic to make sure any infection gets the time it needs to clear up. Nitrophortin does not work for me and I am allergic to Trimephophin (sorry terrible spellings of the anti biotics)
  • just drink water, avoid any sugar free cordials (particularly black current as black current is a really irritation for the bladder) and caffeine
  • avoid sugar as much as possible too

I am pretty sure, like lots of others have said you still have an untreated infection regardless of what the results come back as but it is definitely worth having a scan to rule any growths out too - though growths are a more common csuse if you can't empty your bladder properly.

I really do hope you get it sorted out soon.

doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 23:15

@GwendolineMarysLaces do you mind me asking what antibiotics you take?

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GwendolineMarysLaces · 01/01/2021 23:16

[quote doesitevergetbetter]@GwendolineMarysLaces do you mind me asking what antibiotics you take?[/quote]
I started on cephalexin- took about a month until I saw an improvement. Then added in hiprex.

doesitevergetbetter · 01/01/2021 23:29

@CharlW1 thank you, it's got very awful very quickly :( I'm so sorry you've been having to deal with this for years. I am leaning towards trying to get some cephalexin, was it your doctor who prescribed them for such a long duration? Though I have seen a lot of warnings about cephalexin and c difficile, why does it feel like choosing between one bad thing and another? I'm slightly worried the doctors will only give me a week, which may not be enough to notice a difference.

I agree with you, GPs seems pretty clueless about it and unprepared to refer for more help. They seemed reluctant enough giving me the last lot of antibiotics with the urine tests all being entirely clear, even though I know they're not accurate, they really don't like hearing this information so I'm not sure how I'll haggle to get more.

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ConcertinaWorm · 02/01/2021 00:03

Im on the same as Gwendoline. Cephalexin 1g Four times daily plus Hiprex 1g 3 x Daily. After about 3 weeks I started to see an improvement. He says that flare ups are very common along the way to getting chronic infections under control so I have co-amoxiclav twice a day ans cephalexin twice a day when symptoms flare. Now though the flare ups are much less and are shorter. Most patients don’t need as long a course of treatment as me though i don’t think and the quicker your can get it treated the easier it should be to resolve it. Gwendoline I’m so sorry you had 12 years of suffering. Six nearly broke me.

My GP has never argued about going on such long term antibiotic treatment amazingly though some GPS do fight doing so apparently. The chances of c-diff are not high and although I feel dreadful on many antibiotics I’ve been absolutely fine with both Cefalexin and co-amoxiclav. You are told to report any side effects to the clinic in the first two weeks as if you are going on something long term he say it’s not ok for you to feel terrible and he will change them. But once you are on one and are ok he likes to stick to just the one (with another added for any flare ups) as this cuts down antibiotic resistance. It’s the chopping and changing and lots of short courses that he has found lead to resistance. His other argument is that although there is over use of antibiotics that should not mean that those who really need them are denied them.

lozjay · 02/01/2021 00:10

I've had this and just got over it had all the above and the same tests exactly the same thing babes I had Cronic thrush that mimics uti symptoms

lozjay · 02/01/2021 00:11

You need to get some thrush cream and put that on the urethra that will sort it out

Spudina · 02/01/2021 00:37

Hi OP, I have had similar issues since July of last year. Just had an USS and am waiting to see a urologist. When I say “see” my appointment this month is a telephone consultation but it’s better than nothing. Your GP should refer you to urology, despite Covid. In my 20s I had problem like his and it was an urethral stenosis. I had a urethral dilation and was symptom free for 10years, with symptoms only restarting in the last 2 years. I am aware that it can relapse. I really empathise as these problems can be really debilitating. There are whole weeks where the furthest I can go is to work. I’ve given up alcohol and caffeine. Bike riding and sex, all of which are things I bloody love. Hope you get some answers.

CharlW1 · 02/01/2021 08:41

It was my GP who originally prescribed long term antibiotics biotic usage. He was an amazing GP and had a really good understanding. Unfortunately this is rare and when I moved and went to a new GP practise, I have had to fight for each course of anti biotics. I am so thankful I was able to speak to a Irologist and get the treatment I need again.
Does anyone else suffer in your family? My Mum suffers badly. A year ago she was having chronic infections and again all came back clear from samples. She was at her wits end and changed doctors who immediately referred her for a scan. They saw a lump and thought the worst but when she had an internal of her bladder they found an assessment and ulcers from years of untreated UTIs. She is now on a daily anti biotic (had a month long intensive treatment first) and also has hormone pessaries as well which has really cleared things up.
Really good point that lozjay says re thrush. I've had some awful bouts of thrush that have had similar symptoms to UTIs, so I would get some thrush treatment as well and try that. The creams are o.k but to me its most effective when also used with a pessary, if you do one pessary first and another 2 days later, this has always cleared up my really bad bouts.

doesitevergetbetter · 13/01/2021 17:50

@lozjay sorry I know it's late, I was wondering how you worked out it was thrush? I am not having the classical thrush symptoms at the moment but I had a 7 day prescription of fluconazole that seemed to ease things a bit, but the doctors don't want to give me anymore if I don't have a positive thrush swab (I did do one but didn't have much discharge to swab, sorry I know it's TMI) so don't think it'll come back positive. I was wondering if I should just take the over the counter tablet anyway?

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coldspell · 13/01/2021 21:34

What I did was bought a thrush oral tablet took that and then a week after repeated it , also had a white discharge from urethra that was thrush and applied the caneston thrush cream to that and within a day my normal flow of weeing felt back to normal also and discharge was gone plus that awful feeling of needing a wee when I had just been had gone a very good doctor told me sometimes you need to have two lots of the thrush treatment back to back to fix it

coldspell · 13/01/2021 21:36

I got told was thrush first of all by a swab test and as it seemed to ease abit after first treatment I decided to use another and it's worked

LindaEllen · 13/01/2021 21:42

Random question, but you're not on anti depressants are you? I started taking sertraline recently and experienced similar symptoms to how you described. Apparently it is an uncommon side effect. Probably not related to you but just thought I'd mention it, just in case!

doesitevergetbetter · 14/01/2021 16:46

@coldspell this is interesting. I was taking a low dose of fluconazole for 7 days which seemed to help. I mentioned to my doctor again and she gave me a higher dose of 100mg to take every day for 7 days. I definitely had more specific thrush before but now it's more like clear liquid that is also around my urethra. I was worried about using the cream on it incase it wasn't that and irritated it more :( it seems to be a lot damned if you do, damned if you don't!

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doesitevergetbetter · 14/01/2021 16:47

@LindaEllen I'm not, but thank you for mentioning! I hope they've settled down for you

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coldspell · 14/01/2021 21:23

Also mine was due to the fact I'd recently had a baby and had delayed periods due to breastfeeding and the thrush was brought on my hormones I didn't understand why discharge from urethra was so hard to diagnose and it really wound me down it was constant

doesitevergetbetter · 15/01/2021 15:35

@coldspell I completely understand. I'm having pretty obvious clear liquid come from my urethra but no one seems to have a clue!

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DK123 · 15/01/2021 16:02

I wanted to add that I'm also a patient of Professor Malone Lee. He has also changed my life.
I went years with a deeply seated infection which started when I got together with exH and just didn't stop for the next 8 years, endless trips to doctors, A&E, other urologists, I had numerous tests, scans, bladder biopsy, dilation, nothing worked and I kept getting fobbed off. It cost me my career.
It is completely worth the money. I don't think I'd have been able to carry on if it hadn't improved.

Jet888 · 17/01/2021 07:54

If you don't want to keep using thrush cream, try a daily shallow warm bath with only a few drops of tea tree oil in it to help you.

endofthelinefinally · 17/01/2021 08:18

You really need to see a urogynaecologist.
Consider oestrogen deficiency
Chronic pain syndrome due to long term inflammation of bladder. This feels like ants running around in your bladder.
Cervicitis
Diabetes
Ovarian cyst
Fibroids
Interstitial cystitis
It is miserable. Unfortunately gps and nhs seem to be very poor at dealing with this type of issue.
Amitriptylene is very good for nerve/ chronic pain.
Lots of good advice on this thread. Be careful with tea tree oil though, it can be very irritating on delicate tissue.

doesitevergetbetter · 17/01/2021 13:11

Thank you so much for all your suggestions so far, it makes me feel less like a medical anomaly and gives me hope that I can find the cause. This month it’s been entirely concentrated to urethral discomfort/pressure/very occasional burning. I feel like I need to wee constantly, even when I’m going or have just been. It makes me want to cross my legs all the time. It’s making me very depressed and hopeless. I’m not managing to work or even relax. I think I could deal with it a little better is there was ever a break from the symptoms but there isn't, and I can't see it just disappearing on its own because of that. I have a gynae appointment on the 26th and a urology appointment on the 28th, though I think the urology appointment will be a phone call. I went to the GUM clinic and was swapped, the speculum was horrendously painful so I am not looking forward to gynae as they’ve already told me they’ll be doing a colposcopy/smear (I’ve had these multiple times before as well as silver nitrate which was agony so I get very nervous about pelvic exams). They have said they’ll also do an internal and external scan due to my polycystic ovaries. I thought about asking them to do a ureaplasma test but I know how difficult it is to get it done at a NHS hospital, but I’m just trying to cover all bases and get to the bottom of it.

I have been eating plain food and drinking only water since just after Christmas and have had absolutely no relief from that. I’m currently taking a higher dose of fluconazole to completely rule out thrush, but not finding any relief from that either. I’m finding it unusual that since all this started, I’ve been having clear sticky discharge after not having any (I’ve been quite dry for a number of years, even though I’m in my 20’s). It smells very sweet, and I have also been getting some clear stickiness that is 100% coming from my urethra and not my vaginal opening, but not sure if this is normal or not. I asked at the GUM clinic about vaginal atrophy, she said she didn’t think so as it didn’t look dry, but as I said, this is new.I’ve been doing regular dipsticks, which are all clear apart from specific gravity, never any glucose, though I have been severely restricting my sugar intake in case I was dealing with thrush. I’ve started taking two optibac probiotics everyday as well as vitamin D and zinc, and D mannose to be on the safe side. I am thinking about asking for a diabetes test, I was tested when I was younger (always had an anxious bladder) but I have a feeling it will be negative as I never have any glucose in my urine. If the urologist has no clue I will definitely contact Professor Malone-Lee.

Since it’s started, there has been no rhyme or reason, or any pattern at all. It’s just been constant. It doesn’t make a difference in what I do or what I eat. The only slight pattern I can see is my urethra is the most uncomfortable just after urinating, and then the longer I go without a wee, the better it feels. My urine is completely clear and normal looking, it doesn’t hurt to go, it’s just always uncomfortable after. So I wonder if it is urethritis, but I have no STI’s, and it isn’t visually red or sore and any soap irritation or anything like that would have resolved itself by now. I feel quite stressed when I know I have to wait over a week to speak to either gynae or urology, as every day is pretty hellish, and I’ve become convinced that it’ll never get better on its own, and after reading so many threads, I feel like the doctors won’t have a clue. Everything seems to always come back as negative. Sorry if I’m making anyone eyeroll, I’m just so frustrated. I want to keep this thread updated, in the hope that it does get better, or I get to the bottom of whatever is going on and it helps someone else with similar symptoms in the future.

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doesitevergetbetter · 17/01/2021 13:17

Just wanted to add that I've been having strictly showers since Christmas, absolutely no soaps or any irritants down there. When I wash my hair and my body I have to do a lot of gymnastics to make sure no soap runs down. I've swapped out all my knickers to cotton ones, and am only wearing natural cotton pads on my period. I think I was quite haphazard about these things before, lots of baths and synthetic knickers and I definitely had a spot of thrush before all this started so I'm just hoping I didn't put myself in this situation. My mum keeps wondering if I have a kidney stone stuck in urethra but I feel like that would cause a lot more pain (I've had a suspected one before and it was agony). I'm just trying to supply all the information in case anyone has any epiphanies

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