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War and Peace Readalong thread 2022

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VikingNorthUtsire · 05/12/2021 17:26

Interest thread for the 2022 War and Peace readalong

THIS OP WAS UPDATED on 4/1 BY MNHQ (THANK YOU) TO ADD MORE DETAIL TO THE READING SCHEDULE AND UPDATE THE AMAZON LINKS

"The finest novel ever written on this planet"
"Here is a novel that is worth whatever time one gives to it. There is more life between its cover than in any other existent fictional narrative"

This is a really helpful blog post by someone who has done the challenge: nicksenger.com/onecatholiclife/announcing-the-2020-war-and-peace-chapter-a-day-read-along

  1. Translations

The main complication seems to be which edition to choose. The blog post above contains some commentary of the different tranlsations that are available and their merits. There's also a pretty comprehensive guide here including samples from some of the best-known translations: welovetranslations.com/2021/08/31/whats-the-best-translation-of-war-and-peace-by-tolstoy/

The main differences that I can see are:

  • some editions (including the free download on Project Gutenburg) have a different chapter structure. I think/hope we would manage to find one another if some are reading versions with more or fewer chapters but I have based the readalong on the versions with 361 chapters.
  • there's quite a lot of French in at least some parts of the book. Some editions translate it into English, others keep it in French but use footnotes
  • some translators have chosen to anglicise the characters' names. I guess its personal preference whether you prefer Mary, Andrew and Basil or a more Russian version.

Looking at the editions recommended and reviewed in the above blog:

The Vintage Classics edition, translated by Pevear and Volokhonsky: ]]

NB also this link for the kindle version: ]]

The Signet Classics edition, translated by Anne Dunnigan: ]]

The Penguin Classics edition, translated by Anthony Briggs: ]]

As a general rule I would definitely recommend downloading a sample of any kindle edition before buying, so you can be sure that you are happy with it.

Obviously, some people will prefer to avoid Amazon! Feel free to use the weeks in the run-up to Day 1 to share any tips on what you are buying and where from. Can I suggest though that we stick where possible to the editions with 361 chapters otherwise we will all get very confused!

  1. Reading timeline

Nick, of the blog post, has very helpfully done the calculations for which chapters fall on which days, except he did it in 2020 which was a Leap Year. So feel free to take a look at nicksenger.com/onecatholiclife/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Nicks-2020-War-and-Peace-Chapter-a-Day-Reading-Schedule.pdf but see below the schedule for the Mumsnet Readalong.

Again, different editions name and number their chapters differently - some refer to four books divided into parts (as below), others refer to fifteen books although it's essentially the same structure just with different numbering. Hopefully there's enough info below to keep us all in sync, and always happy to let anyone know via PM what's happening in today's chapter so we can keep together.

Book 1: 1805
Book 1 Part One (25 chapters): 1/1 - 25/1
Book 1 Part Two (21 chapters): 26/1 - 15/2
Book 1 Part Three (19 chapters): 16/2 - 6/3
DAY OFF: 7/3
Book 2: 1806-1812
Book 2 Part One (16 chapters): 8/3 - 23/3
Book 2 Part Two (21 chapters): 24/3 - 13/4
Book 2 Part Three (26 chapters): 14/4 - 9/5
Book 2 Part Four (13 chapters): 10/5 - 22/5
Book 2 Part Five (22 chapters): 23/5 - 13/6
DAY OFF: 14/6
Book 3: 1812
Book Three Part One (23 chapters): 15/6 - 7/7
Book Three Part Two (39 chapters): 8/7 - 15/8
Book Three Part Three (34 chapters): 16/8 - 18/9
DAY OFF: 19/9
Book 4: 1812-13
Book Four Part One (16 chapters): 20/9 - 5/10
Book Four Part Two (19 chapters): 6/10 - 24/10
Book Four Part Three (19 chapters): 25/10 - 12/11
Book Four Part Four (20 chapters): 13/11 - 2/12
DAY OFF: 3/12
Epilogue One 1812-20 (16 chapters): 3/12 - 19/12
Epilogue Two (12 chapters): 20/12 - 31/12

Phew!

I would suggest that we meet at the end of each section (so 17 times over the course of the year) to discuss what we've read, but with (non-spoilerish) chatter welcome at any time in between. According to my guru, Nick, each chapter is around 4 pages long, so it should be do-able.

  1. Chapter "meditations"

This looks like another really interesting blog post from someone who has done it, with thoughts and meditations on each chapter: brianedenton.medium.com/a-year-of-war-and-peace-cc66540d9619#.yabefbbgz

Come and join me! This time next year we will almost have finished reading the finest novel ever written on the planet.

PS Some may feel that each day off deserves a shot of vodka or two. I couldn't possibly comment.

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BakeOffRewatch · 05/02/2022 19:46

I see him in a Russell Brand kind of way. Misogynistic and one of the lads, but the funny butt of jokes type way

BakeOffRewatch · 05/02/2022 19:47

Don’t get me started on Andrei. Ungrateful, privileged, coddled. Thriving on events that cause the normal man extensive suffering.

SanFranBear · 05/02/2022 20:43

Oh, goodness yes - Andrey is infinitely worse!

MamaNewtNewt · 05/02/2022 22:56

I couldn't tell if they genuinely liked Prince Hippolyte or whether they were laughing at him.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 06/02/2022 10:52

Chapter 12. Andrey meets the Emperor and the meeting was as dull and pointless as anticipated. However, he is awarded the Order of Maria Theresa and everyone is much friendlier to him than previously. After spending some time in this exalted company, he arrives back at Bilibin's house. He is surprised to find Bilibin getting ready to move out. The French have tricked the Austrians and crossed the bridge and are on their way to Brno. At this point, it might be a good idea to inform the court about this development (!) Bilibin urges Andrey to come with him and stay out of harm's way, but Andrey sees this as an opportunity to prove himself and save the day. '...this was where he would be raised for ever from the ranks of anonymous officers. This was his first step on the road to glory!'

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 06/02/2022 12:04

I've fallen behind but just about to catch up, thanks for the resumés Fuzzy, keeps me on track.
In my translation Hippolyte is definitely being made fun of MamaNewtNewt he's referred to as 'the butt of this circle', And this bit, “No, I must treat you to a bit of Kuragin,’ Bilibin whispered to Bolkonsky. ‘He’s wonderful when you get him going on politics. You must see the depth of his thinking." Is definitely said with irony, tongue firmly in cheek.
I would imagine he's considered to be popular with the ladies because it's a numbers game, I imagine he hits on every female he meets!

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 06/02/2022 12:11

No worries, Desdemona! It's helping to keep me focused. I agree with your assessment of Hippolyte. It must be his title that draws the ladies to him!

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 06/02/2022 12:20

I like Bilibin's summary of the Austrians on the bridge being tricked by the three French soldiers as 'We've been Macked'(in reference to General Mack at Ulm) it sounds like such a modern bit of wordplay.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 06/02/2022 12:58

InTheCludgie how did you do with watching half an episode of the BBC War & Peace adaptation? I intended to watch in time with the read along but ended up binging all 6 episodes Blush (Not such a big deal though as I've seen the series and read the book before.)

BakeOffRewatch · 06/02/2022 13:05

I can’t believe the story of the Tabor bridge! And it’s real! Surely that goes against some sort of rules of play at the time? Certainly UN convention!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Schöngrabern

There’s a podcast on it too: podcasts.apple.com/al/podcast/ridiculous-history/id1299826850

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 06/02/2022 13:17

Ha! I had no idea it was a true story, how funny. The Austrians must have felt so stupid, this is a written account:
historycollection.com/12-greatest-military-bluffs-history/4/

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 06/02/2022 13:18

Although only two soldiers carried out the deception not three, I wonder why Tolstoy changed it to three 🤔

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 06/02/2022 14:34

I wondered if it was a real event! Thanks for the link, BakeOffRewatch. Fascinating. I also wondered if it they were breaking the rules of conduct or if this was commonly done (clueless)

We've been macked This seems such a modern expression, I was wondering how it was expressed in other translations or in the original.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 06/02/2022 14:36

I've just seen your link Desdemona and I'm going to read it now.

StColumbofNavron · 06/02/2022 15:32

I haven't read today yet, but very much appreciating Fuzzy's updates. I think all the battles are real.

babybythesea · 06/02/2022 16:01

I’m just waiting to join in. I started reading this last year and got sidetracked. My version is a really cheap (and old) Penguins popular classics.
The chapters and books don’t match up at all with the list above but looking at the comments you are almost about where I’d got to.
I’ve done a character list to remind myself of who is who, and I have read a summary online to remind myself of what has happened. Now I will pick it up again and this time try and finish it.

BakeOffRewatch · 06/02/2022 16:29

[quote DesdamonasHandkerchief]Ha! I had no idea it was a true story, how funny. The Austrians must have felt so stupid, this is a written account:
historycollection.com/12-greatest-military-bluffs-history/4/[/quote]
I wasn’t sure about this link as it had no sources and seems to just be a blow by blow of what Tolstoy wrote.

SanFranBear · 06/02/2022 16:40

My version is a really cheap (and old) Penguins popular classics

So is mine - is it the Anthony Briggs translation? If so, the chapters etc should match up? I'm definitely finding the actual book much easier as I do refer back quite often - don't think it's proving as easy on Kindle versions.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 06/02/2022 16:50

@StColumbofNavron

I haven't read today yet, but very much appreciating Fuzzy's updates. I think all the battles are real.
You're welcome, Colombo! Yes, I must remember that it's based on historical fact. You couldn't make it up, the trickery at Tabor Bridge!
IsFuzzyBeagMise · 06/02/2022 16:50

@babybythesea

I’m just waiting to join in. I started reading this last year and got sidetracked. My version is a really cheap (and old) Penguins popular classics. The chapters and books don’t match up at all with the list above but looking at the comments you are almost about where I’d got to. I’ve done a character list to remind myself of who is who, and I have read a summary online to remind myself of what has happened. Now I will pick it up again and this time try and finish it.
Welcome babybythesea!
babybythesea · 06/02/2022 17:10

sanfranbear there isn’t a mention of the translator!
When I look at my version, there are 15 books. Each is subdivided into chapters. Book 1 has 16 chapters. Book 2 has 16 chapters and this finishes at the end of the first war section.
Book 3 (which I’m about to start) starts with a soirée at Anna Pavlovnas and Helenes name day. I can’t make that match up at all to the chapter lust in the first post so I’ll guess by what you are all discussing!

War and Peace Readalong thread 2022
DesdamonasHandkerchief · 06/02/2022 17:30

Is it abridged?

Mb76 · 06/02/2022 19:16

I’m curious, could someone please tell me what the English translation is for the occasion of the big dinner at the Rostov’s in chapter 15?

rifling · 06/02/2022 19:35

Is that the name day celebration?

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 06/02/2022 19:38

Yes, it is. There isn't an exact word for it in English, Mb76. It's a formal dinner on the occasion of the princesses' name day.

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