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The Testaments by Margaret Atwood WITH spoilers

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Pokemontv · 10/09/2019 11:27

Who is up for a discussion ? What did you like ? What did you hate ?

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EmpressLesbianInChair · 07/10/2019 06:40

I’m not sure it’s ever specified but if you watched the series and you’ve seen the episodes where June visits Hannah, you’ll have as good an idea as the rest of us.

Venger · 07/10/2019 07:51

So it had to be someone from Canada going in and AL for some reason wanted it to be baby Nicole ???

I think AL was hedging her bets, if it looked like things were about to go tits up then Baby Nicole was her get out of jail free card. If her plan to smuggle the information out of Gilead succeeded then Baby Nicole was the ultimate poster child of the revolution as people on both sides of the border had been raised to revere her. It's a win-win situation for someone skilled at scheming as both outcomes can be turned to an advantage.

Could someone tell me the age difference between Hannah and Nicole, please.

In the first book, June says that Hannah would be 8 now. This is shortly before she pregnant with Nicole so nine months pregnancy on top of that would make Hannah/Agnes nine years older than Nicole give or take a few months. In the book Nicole is 16 so Hannah would be 24-25 depending on which month her birthday is.

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beanaseireann · 07/10/2019 09:09

Thank you Venger

beanaseireann · 08/10/2019 00:45

Finished it.
I felt it was rushed and very neatly sewn up at the end and I love "happy" endingd.
An easier read than the tv series is to watch.
Tbh I was expecting a better book.

SapatSea · 08/10/2019 15:57

Totally agree bean

Venger · 10/10/2019 19:31

I’m only part way through but curious what ‘brand’ Aunt Lydia is named after. I’ve Googled but not managed to work it out.

@ninjava Aunt Lydia is a brand of crochet thread.

The Testaments by Margaret Atwood WITH spoilers
Chienloup · 12/10/2019 03:33

It mentions in the symposium notes that the sisters were born eight years apart.

beanaseireann · 12/10/2019 15:36

Thank you Chienloup

beanaseireann · 14/10/2019 23:33

Well what do I know !
The Testaments has just gone and won ( shared ) the Booker prize.

Madcats · 15/10/2019 07:20

In my defence, I've only listened to the R4 abridged version. It was okay - I assumed that key scenes had to be really cut to fit the broadcast.

For a book to be nominated before it was published seemed odd. I wonder whether the judges were 'encouraged' to make the prize more 'popular'.

littledinosaurs · 15/10/2019 10:12

Can't believe such an average book has won the booker prize 🙄

OctopusNow · 15/10/2019 22:30

I was disappointed tbh.
The whole novel felt rushed and as though it was just cashing in on the success of the tv series which is not what I'd expect from Margaret Atwood.

Not surprised it's won the Booker but undeserving in my opinion.

beanaseireann · 16/10/2019 01:11

Rushed and cashing in on the popularity of the tv series- I absolutely agree OctopusNow.
Appatently quite a few people are upset that the Booker Prize is shared this time.
I woukd have thought the honour is shared but financially they each get what a solo winner would receive as prize money. I can't believe they've split the prize money..
Who subsidises the Booker prize money ?

Venger · 16/10/2019 07:41

I can't help but think they changed the rules so that she could also win simply because she's Margaret Atwood and that she could have published her shopping list and still won it.

littledinosaurs · 16/10/2019 09:05

Completely agree @Venger

I think if the award was given based on cultural importance then absolutely Margaret Atwood should win a thousand times over (one very average book does not change her career in my opinion). But as far as I'm aware the award is purely about one novel and its merit as a book. The Testaments was average AT BEST.

littledinosaurs · 16/10/2019 09:08

Also (to be completely transparent) I am slightly annoyed on behalf of Bernadine Evaristo – if you haven't read Girl, Woman, Other I would really recommend it.

Venger · 16/10/2019 09:30

I know. It must be galling for Bernadine Evaristo to have won and then have that win overshadowed by the shared prize and associated controversy, I bet it's taken a bit of the shine off the prize.

womenspeakout · 16/10/2019 11:20

Also (to be completely transparent) I am slightly annoyed on behalf of Bernadine Evaristo – if you haven't read Girl, Woman, Other I would really recommend it.

Exactly, and to be the first black woman to win, and have to share it and not have her name really out there as the winner. I've seen so many people only posting Atwood's book as the winner.

Eleanorsummer · 17/10/2019 09:35

I really enjoyed it but did think the ending was a bit rushed. Aunt Lydia's flashbacks to how her and the other women were treated made me angry. I read the handmaid's tale many times as used it in one of my uni assignments. The tv series was definitely shocking, and I found myself comparing the aunt Lydia in this book to the tv show rather than the first book. Still find it hard to believe she wasn't a true believer, as in the tv series she comes across that way so much.

kirila · 17/10/2019 16:01

I am half-way through and find it so far, a compelling read. However the child and teenage voices are often weak and grating in my view, because there are points where the voice and comment is clearly meant to be of a child or teenager at the time, but it is too adult. That is where the device of trying to write a child's memories in a supposed present tense but actually as an adult remembering falls down. It erodes the sense of what DOES sound authentically childlike or teenage-like and so a reader cannot 'live' their past with them which one needs to, at least consistently if not constantly. The earliest example of this is actually near the beginning, page 20, where Agnes, still only '8 or 9', appears to acknowledge the power of men and women's lack of it when she says ..."it was becoming clear to me that, despite the urges Aunt Vidala said I aroused in them, I had no power over them otherwise.". ...' the urges Aunt Vidala said I aroused in them' could be a child, whereas 'despite', ' it was becoming clear to me' and...'I had no power over them otherwise' is an adult tone, perspective and sensibility, so not even believable from a child brought up in Gilead . Therein lies the problem of writing children's and teenagers' memories as if they are immediate, complete with descriptions of people, places and conversations in great detail and depth as if they are happening when one knows they are written in the future by those people now grown up. Either choose to write it first person present until the adult takes over near the end or all from adult memory. Though I am enjoying the read, I struggle to equate it with Booker Prize material but what do I, an ordinary reader know?! In terms of complicity, and what forces people to be or become so, Serena's early testament would have made a book in itself; interesting if painful reading, especially when related to what some women's lives are like even as I type. Hey, but I'm being picky, and maybe Ms. Atwood will yet write another volume!

kirila · 17/10/2019 16:14

p.s. Evaristo's book in a different league in my view, as others have commented here. It would be interesting to listen to what any of the Booker judges have to say further on 'why they could not choose one book over the other' rather than just that statement followed by general platitudes!

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