Can anyone reccomend a diet pill that works?

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I am planning on exercising and eating healthy too but would like to boost that with something.

I used 'acti- slim' after DS2 but having actually read some reviews on it, it seems its crap so not keen on spending 50 quid on them again.

no lectures please
thanks x

over the counter?

Look at Alli - is available without prescription in US and is supposed to be good. But only if you watch what you are eating as well.

If you eat more than a certain grammage of fat in a day then there is a likelihood you will er, soil yourself!!

If you order on the internet then it comes with a diet plan so you get to understand how much of which foods to eat and then if used correctly it is supposed to accelerate your weightloss - ie. if with diet and excercise you would lose 6 pounds with Alli too you will loose 9-10lbs in same period.

I ordered some before christmas but have sent them back as now PG so no use for me! I have to get fat first now!
If you want more info do a search on the Observer website - there was an article about it before Christmas in their woman mag - thats what got me thinking.

Good luck!

Disenchanted - have you spoken to your GP? I got Reductil from mine, after trying to lose weight for ages. So far I have lost close to 1 1/2 stone since November - but I have about 3 stone to go still.

I think you need to have a BMI of over 35 to be eligible to get it, or lower if you have significant health problems which would be improved by weight loss.

i am using Alli at the moment and have lost 2 stone in 2 months and i have only been taking one a day during the week and 2 a day at the weekend

And what's your diet like with Alli?

I have never even heard of Alli - is it safe? Can you buy it in shop or is it dodgy stuff online?

it is meant to stop you absorbing some of the fat you have eaten..
you dont have to change your diet much but is you eat to much fat on them you will have the runs... they are a lower dose Xenical

I am taking Alli - three per day, at the same time as doing slimming world. Lost 5lbs last week but intrigued as to whether that was SW or Alli. Bought them from doozie website which has free P & P from US. Good luck!

I don't want to knock the ship - but pills don't work.

Let's look at it from ground level;
If there was a diet pill which worked, everyone would be taking it! There isnt I'm afraid. Most are stimulants, water inhibitors or appetite supressants which in time, will knacker your metabolism.

Save your money I'm afraid to say!

Actually Mark, Alli does work in as much as it genuinely inhibits the digestion of fat (I think about 25% of fat intake passes through the system). Apparently the highest cause of failure of it (and the stronger versions Xenical/Reductil) are people not being able to cope with the effects of fat passing through their system undigested. According to the Sunday Times the manufacturers recommend that people take a change of clothing to work with them just in in case of anal leakage (yeuch).

I'm not recommending it BTW, just in case the OP thinks that I am, working out beats anal leakage for me anyday. I'm just pointing out that it's clinically proven to work better than dieting alone, but it does need to be combined with diet changes because if you don't lower your fat intake you'll be washing a lot of pants.

Mark - my PT is called Mark. Please tell me you're not him, I'll have to name change if I've accidently outed myself. Do you have a whingy, middle-aged client who hates doing push-ups and says "ow!" all the way through stretches?

Bran - I have lots of middle aged clients who moan at everything I give them!!
Are you based in Surrey?!!

The thing is, it isn't Fat ingestion that makes people 'fat' it's excess calories, be it carbs, protein, fat etc. You could eat your daily maintenance calories (the number needed to not put on or lose weight) in just fat, and you wouldn't gain any weight.

So those pills aren't really affecting the root cause.

Phew - different Mark. Do all trainers have mostly whingey clients then? Is it part of your training to be able to filter it out? My trainer doesn't appear to hear the whinging at all, and laughs sadistically at pain. I forgive him though because my boobs suddenly look like they used to in my 20s, only a few cup-sizes bigger (still hate push-ups though).

What you say is obviously true re calories etc, but that doesn't mean that these pills have no effect. The clinical trials found a two-fold effect, firstly fewer calories are ingested because a proportion of the fat eaten passes through the body undigested, and secondly it encourages people to improve the quality of their diet (reducing junk food/increasing lean protein and veg) because the after effects of eating a fatty meal is so unpleasant.

Of course people should address the root causes of being over-weight and live a healthy lifestyle, but it's not helpful, even misleading, to say "pills don't work" and lump something which is useful under controlled conditions in with genuine wastes of effort and money like "herbal" remedies.

Ha! It's true we have selected hearing!

The thing is I'm all for natural, healthy products. These pills have all sorts of cr*p in them. You don't know what they are doing to your body internally, the damage to organs, hormones, blood production etc.

I tell you, if you cut wheat and dairy from your diet for 4 weeks (alongside alcohol if it's a weekday event) you would see great results. These pills and potions aren't the answer, because everyone would take them. They may work a bit, but often it's water retention lost, or a stimulant to supress apetite etc, and you KNOW eventually weight will go back on with them, and they aren;'t a long term answer.
But hey, unlikely I will persuade people to stay away from them!

Well obviously if we all ate a healthy low fat diet and didn't binge etc then we wouldn't need to lose weight. Kind of obvious, no?

As for Alli, as someone who is taking it at the moment I'd say that it works in two ways:

1. It binds to fat you eat which you then excrete. So, you lose 50% more than you would usually. ie/ normally lose 2lb in a week, with Alli 3lb.
2. As there are side effects (farting, pooing without any control) if you eat a meal higher than 10g in fat then you find yourself eating low fat meals to avoid horrible things happening to you in public.

For us fatties this means Alli teaches you (read: forces you) to look at what you eat very carefully. It forces you to educate yourself about food and the fat content.

Have just realised that the person before me has explained this but I've typed it now so I'm posting.

And after 10 days on Alli (I think) I have lost 7lb. Wonderful. I am envangelical about them though the husband may disagree about the smells...

Oooh, much better put than the slightly vague way I said it CWTYC. Of course if we all ate a healthy diet and exercised etc then MarkPT would be out of a job.

reductil works by supressing appetite not binding to fat. It works well my mother has used it as a crutch at the beginning of her diet

Sorry, I was getting confused between Reductil and the other name for Xenical, which (as another poster had already said) is Orlistat.

As I said though, it's isn't eating fat that makes you fat, it's eating excess calories, be it in the form of protein, carbs or fat.

Going by what you have written about it binding to fat you eat - you are stating that you are just ridding calories that you eat in your diet, and not stored calories/fat already in your body?!!

You could eat your maintenance calories (those you need to stay at your weight) all in Fat and you wouldn't put weight on. Hell you could even eat those calories in mars bars and you wouldn't put weight on.

FAT is not bad.....excess calories are bad.

Surely if you;re poo'in extra that small amount of additional weight you're losing is likely to be bodiy fluids/waste, not really body fat?

Well yes, but fat is very high in calories isn't it, compared to the same volume or weight of vegetables for instance. If a person ate all their calorie allowance in the form of a Mars Bar they would stay the same weight but they would be very hungry all the time because a relatively small amount of fat has a relatively high amount of calories.

Nobody has claimed that it binds to the fat stored in the body, or that body fat is excreted. I suspect you are being deliberately obtuse in order to be patronising.

9 cals per g of fat
4 per gram of carb

makes sense that you can eat more and feel fuller if thats your bag by eating veg/carb
I do a % of calories from fat calculation which is more helpful to me and gives a truer picture imho

It's def a fuel in fuel out equation

I'm quoting from above;
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1. It binds to fat you eat which you then excrete. So, you lose 50% more than you would usually ////// which translates as the pill grabs onto fat you eat and then you get rid of it. So surely don't eat it, and then it doesn't have anything to excrete, so you don't need it???!

If it doesn't bind to fat in the body, what is the point in taking it? Surely that is what you want isn't it? To rid body fat?!!!

Now I know that you are taking the piss. "So surely don't eat it", like that's never occured to a fat person.

You don't need magic pills and quick results-you eat less and exercise more for life.