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Starting low carb two week induction type thing - tomorrow - anyone in??

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mrsmalumbas · 28/03/2008 16:04

Have just bought and read the India Knight book and have been reinspired to restart my low carb ways - Anyone care to join me?

I do know this way of eating suits me, I have done it before, I don't get hungry after the first few days and I do lose weight. I was "sort of" doing this for a couple of weeks before easter and lost about 4lbs, felt good but fell off the wagon over the weekend with easter eggs, wine, simnel cake etc!

Am planning a 2 week induction type event starting tomorrow morning (I am loathe to call it a "diet") to get me back into the swing of things. It would be good to have a buddy or two.

OP posts:
Minum · 20/05/2008 07:12

Odd day yesterday, I was actually hungry in the afternoon, which hasnt happened since I restarted Low-carb. I ate some chicken and mayo, then cheese and tomatoes, then scrambled egg, which kept me going till dinner time - I hope I'll be back to normal today

oggsfrog · 20/05/2008 07:28

Ah, CD...that's me buggered. I don't smoke . No dogbreath here. I never even notice a metallic taste in my mouth.
Surely smoking leads to less than pleasant breath??

WWW, the cd (the diet not the countess), was designed by Dr's to help obese patients needing surgery lose weight very quickly. It contains 100% of all the essential vitamins etc in a very low calorie form.
As I said, it is drastic, but I'd come to the end of the road and had an atrocious relationship with food (despite cooking really healthy meals from scratch I tended to binge on crap). I needed to step away from actual food to re-assess.

TattooedGrrrl · 20/05/2008 13:46

Can i join you, if it's not too late!

i'm on day 3 of no bread / spuds / rice / pasta, lost 1 lb so far.

i'm not fully on the wagon, but i'm trying.
(drank a bottle of red wine last night)

had 2 boiled eggs for breakfast, a plum mid morning, and tuna and chick pea stew thingy for lunch.

running out food so will have to stock up on some tuna / mayo / nuts etc. No idea what to eat for dinner

SupremeBeing · 20/05/2008 20:51

Oh I see oggs, thanks for the explanation. (WWW here, namechanged temporarily)

I am paranoid about bad breath and have been cleaning my teeth after every meal plus drinking lots of water. I don't smoke (do you CD?)

ColumboEtc · 20/05/2008 22:11

I don't think the bad breath thing is true... possibly people are referring to the smell of ketones? But ketones don't actually smell offensive, its more like a very mild pear drop smell, or almondy milky smell. I mean it is a little odd, but it is not dog breath by any means! I know this since a friend did low carb and had the ketone thing, but it was fine, not bad at all.

Anyway, with the lack of sugar/carbs your saliva is less likely to be acidic and will probably be neutral so won't have any mouth odour at all.

I just tested mine (left over ph testing kit from some crazy supergreens turn yourself alkali drink I was into a while back)and it is totally dead on neutral.

aquasea · 20/05/2008 23:35

I've stalled. I have been really good (apart from Saturday night when we went out for dinner and I just had to eat what was served because its a bit rude not to! I only had a tiny bit of wine though and stuck to water and diet drinks because I was driving) but I can't seem to get below 14 stone The scales are no longer my friend! I even had my first personal training session on Sunday...and I can hardly walk now! Oh, she did my assessments and everything and apparently I have the bodyage of a 52 year old! I guessed somewhere in my 60's going by how I feel so I think being in my 50's isn't too bad

aquasea · 21/05/2008 00:58

Right. I refuse to let the vindictive scales get me down. I am off to the gym.
It didn't help that while cleaning up I came across my fitness assessment and my fitness age was actually 59

oggsfrog · 21/05/2008 06:33

How old are you aqua?
The stall thing is a bummer isn't it? Stick with it - your body shape should be changing even though the scales aren't registering it.
You've probably thrown yourself out of ketosis though, and will need to get back 'in the zone'.

I've got my weigh in today with the cdc. It's a day early as I can't get there tomorrow. I was hoping to have cracked the 13 stone barrier but have just weighed myself and I'm 13st 0.5lb.
Still cause for celebration though as that makes me down 1st 0.5lb in 2 weeks! Yay!
('Official' weigh will make me heavier as I weigh in just my 'jamas at home, so I choose to go off my home readings )

Minum · 21/05/2008 06:34

aquasea hope your gym session went well. I think its hard to lose weight if you dont do excercise as well, so I'm sure it we get your weight loss going again.

Went off rails last night, had sandwiches at the event I went too, then made myself another one when I got home . Will be very careful today, and drink lots of water. I am running this morning, and cycling and swimming later, so hopefully will limit the damaage.

aquasea · 21/05/2008 21:57

Oggs, I am 31 so a fitness age of 59 is pretty horrendous! Congratulations on your weight loss. That's amazing. You must be feeling great. Keep it up!

Thanks, Minum, you're right, I know I need to exercise as well. Surely...surely I will start to lose weight again soon [hopeful emoticon].

aquasea · 21/05/2008 22:11

OK, just did everything I could think of - went to the loo, took all my clothes off...even blew my nose ffs... nope, the scales aren't going to budge. That's it. I am not stepping on them again until Monday.
On a (massive) positive note though, while I was in the bathroom I looked at myself in the mirror and I noticed that my stretch marks have all but disappeared. When I first had my DS I was so depressed about them and thought my bikini days were over forever (they were really really bad). I think I was wrong! I think they are disappearing as I lose weight. Another incentive to keep going.

ColumboEtc · 22/05/2008 09:53

First week over for me, have only lost 3 lb but despite grumpiness it has been relatively painless and I have lost several inches from my tummy which I really needed to get rid of. Definitely sticking with it.

Oggs well done on your loss

Aqua you're probably losing fat and holding water, and will get a whoosh soon. Oooooh hoping the same happens to me with the stretch marks...I must say they have got less noticeable but I wont be buying that bikini just yet...

Minum my mum is doing the diet as well and often has to peel open the sandwiches at work lunches...are you back on track now?

WWW Are you staying on phase one/induction then?

Tattoedgrrl I only started last week. Are you doing low carb or just cutting out bread/wheat etc?

aquasea · 23/05/2008 01:22

Hmmmm, Columbo... perhaps you are right about the water thing. [extremely, ridiculously hopeful emoticon] Thinking about it, I don't think I have been drinking enough. Mission for today - drink loads... and then drink some more
Well done on completing your first week. I think it definitely gets easier the longer you do it for. It starts to become second nature.

Minum · 23/05/2008 07:56

Well done Columbo on losing lbs and inches, and sticking with it. I'm fully back on track food wise, but its still booze thats the issue, I've been out every night this week, which hasnt helped. But I have had a good week so far of running and cycling, which I hope is damage limitation.

And I didnt sucumb to a cornish pasty on the late train home last night (it helped that the stall was closed )

TattooedGrrrl · 23/05/2008 10:42

columboetc- i've cut out potatoes, rice, pasta, bread etc. Mostly eating protein and green veg.

ColumboEtc · 23/05/2008 12:12

Aqua I have copied this from another website (someone else there copied it from someone else...I hope it is allowed to post it?)Useful info on stalls! It's long but worth a read.

STALLS -- WHY THE SCALES CAN LIE
A biologist at Berkeley shared something very revealing on the low-carb BBS system about 4 years ago that helps us all through the erratic weight fluctuations you invariably encounter: Fat cells are resilient, stubborn little creatures that do not want to give up their actual cell volume. Over a period of weeks, maybe months of "proper dieting", each of your fat cells may have actually lost a good percentage of the actual fat contained in those cells. But the fat cells themselves, stubborn little guys, replace that lost fat with water to retain their size. That is, instead of shrinking to match the reduced amount of fat in the cell, they stay the same size! Result - you weigh the same, look the same, maybe even gained some scale weight, even though you have actually lost some serious fat.
The good news is that this water replacement is temporary. It's a defensive measure to keep your body from changing too rapidly. It allows the fat cell to counter the rapid change in cell composition, allowing for a slow, gradual reduction in cell size. The problem is, most people are frustrated with their apparent lack of success, assume they have lost nothing, and stop dieting.
However, if you give those fat cells some time, like 4-6 months, and ignore the scale weight fluctuations, your real weight/shape will slowly begin to show. The moral of the story - be patient! Your body is changing even if the number on the scale isn't.

PATTERNS OF WEIGHT LOSS
Common patterns of weight loss from tracking a lot of people who become assimilated into the lowcarb lifestyle (hehe...resistance is futile!) a pattern emerges.... the 2 week induction is pretty heady...weight lost just about every single day, enormous and unbelievable amounts of weight loss are reported. This is often followed by complaints that weight loss "stalls" or that the rate drops to only 1 pound per week.
Many people just don't know that fat-loss ...the actual goal when on a weight-reduction" diet, is rate-limited. In other words, the human body has factors that prevent more than a certain amount of fatty-acid release from storage...and even more factors that prevent those released fatty acids from being used up instead of stored back into the fat cells.
A priority of the human body is survival. Anything that threatens its survival results in the cascade of events to maintain the previous status quo. Water fluctuations are one way the body does this. OK...so you done good on Atkins' during induction...lost 10 pounds the first 2 weeks. Maybe 7 the first week and 3 the second. But, whoa!Weeks 3 and 4 there is NO loss! And weeks 5 and 6 is only 1/2 pound each!
So... what gives? Initially, the body jettisons the water attached to the glycogen stores that we diligently deplete to get into ketosis...this accounts for about 3-5 pounds of water. In addition, muscle stores of glycogen are not being replaced when used...which will account for the rest. All in all...MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized during the first week... and MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized the 2nd week. Of that 10 initial pounds, only 1 pound was fat and 9 pounds water... The body senses this lack and sirens start shrieking: Warning! Warning! Losing water... new thing...got to get back to the status quo! Brain tells body to produce and release that vasopressin antidiuretic hormone....more water is retained, and no weight loss noticed. Fat loss is still occuring, MAYBE even 2 pounds per week, because ketosis is firmly established and appetite supression is in effect...but water retention is hiding that continuing fat loss. The body is preventing dehydration with this mechanism, and that's a good thing.
From the perspective of the scale, it can be discouraging. Which is why the mantra: Water retention masks fat loss (repeated frequently to oneself ) is helpful. Water retention will mask ongoing fat-loss for as long as the body retains the water. We can combat this by drinking more water...but we aren't going to totally overcome this mechanism during the initial water-loss phase of the Atkins diet. By weeks 5 and 6, things start to get back in balance, and the scale will begin to reflect the true fat-loss...which, as mentioned before is rate-limited. Individuals vary, but max weight loss runs about 2 pounds per week...under extremely optimal conditions... or 1% of body weight (whichever is the lower number).

So don't use the scale as an excuse to undermine your progress. Even when the scale is in a stall, fat loss can be occuring.
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Taken from
www.primusweb.com/fitnesspartner/library/weight/scale.htm

We?ve been told over an over again that daily weighing is unnecessary, yet many of us can?t resist peeking at that number every morning. If you just can?t bring yourself to toss the scale in the trash, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the factors that influence it?s readings. From water retention to glycogen storage and changes in lean body mass, daily weight fluctuations are normal. They are not indicators of your success or failure. Once you understand how these mechanisms work, you can free yourself from the daily battle with the bathroom scale.

Water makes up about 60% of total body mass. Normal fluctuations in the body?s water content can send scale-watchers into a tailspin if they don?t understand what?s happening. Two factors influencing water retention are water consumption and salt intake. Strange as it sounds, the less water you drink, the more of it your body retains. If you are even slightly dehydrated your body will hang onto it?s water supplies with a vengeance, possibly causing the number on the scale to inch upward. The solution is to drink plenty of water.

Excess salt (sodium) can also play a big role in water retention. A single teaspoon of salt contains over 2,000 mg of sodium. Generally, we should only eat between 1,000 and 3,000 mg of sodium a day, so it?s easy to go overboard. Sodium is a sneaky substance. You would expect it to be most highly concentrated in salty chips, nuts, and crackers. However, a food doesn?t have to taste salty to be loaded with sodium. A half cup of instant pudding actually contains nearly four times as much sodium as an ounce of salted nuts, 460 mg in the pudding versus 123 mg in the nuts. The more highly processed a food is, the more likely it is to have a high sodium content. That?s why, when it comes to eating, it?s wise to stick mainly to the basics: fruits, vegetables, lean meat, beans, and whole grains. Be sure to read the labels on canned foods, boxed mixes, and frozen dinners.

Women may also retain several pounds of water prior to menstruation. This is very common and the weight will likely disappear as quickly as it arrives. Pre-menstrual water-weight gain can be minimized by drinking plenty of water, maintaining an exercise program, and keeping high-sodium processed foods to a minimum.

Another factor that can influence the scale is glycogen. Think of glycogen as a fuel tank full of stored carbohydrate. Some glycogen is stored in the liver and some is stored the muscles themselves. This energy reserve weighs more than a pound and it?s packaged with 3-4 pounds of water when it?s stored. Your glycogen supply will shrink during the day if you fail to take in enough carbohydrates. As the glycogen supply shrinks you will experience a small imperceptible increase in appetite and your body will restore this fuel reserve along with it?s associated water. It?s normal to experience glycogen and water weight shifts of up to 2 pounds per day even with no changes in your calorie intake or activity level. These fluctuations have nothing to do with fat loss, although they can make for some unnecessarily dramatic weigh-ins if you?re prone to obsessing over the number on the scale.

Otherwise rational people also tend to forget about the actual weight of the food they eat. For this reason, it?s wise to weigh yourself first thing in the morning before you?ve had anything to eat or drink. Swallowing a bunch of food before you step on the scale is no different than putting a bunch of rocks in your pocket. The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. It?s the actual weight of everything you?ve had to eat and drink. The added weight of the meal will be gone several hours later when you?ve finished digesting it.

Exercise physiologists tell us that in order to store one pound of fat, you need to eat 3,500 calories more than your body is able to burn. In other words, to actually store the above dinner as 5 pounds of fat, it would have to contain a whopping 17,500 calories. This is not likely, in fact it?s not humanly possible. So when the scale goes up 3 or 4 pounds overnight, rest easy, it?s likely to be water, glycogen, and the weight of your dinner. Keep in mind that the 3,500 calorie rule works in reverse also. In order to lose one pound of fat you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in. Generally, it?s only possible to lose 1-2 pounds of fat per week. When you follow a very low calorie diet that causes your weight to drop 10 pounds in 7 days, it?s physically impossible for all of that to be fat. What you?re really losing is water, glycogen, and muscle.

This brings us to the scale?s sneakiest attribute. It doesn?t just weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all. When you lose "weight," that doesn?t necessarily mean that you?ve lost fat. In fact, the scale has no way of telling you what you?ve lost (or gained). Losing muscle is nothing to celebrate. Muscle is a metabolically active tissue. The more muscle you have the more calories your body burns, even when you?re just sitting around. That?s one reason why a fit, active person is able to eat considerably more food than the dieter who is unwittingly destroying muscle tissue.

Robin Landis, author of "Body Fueling," compares fat and muscles to feathers and gold. One pound of fat is like a big fluffy, lumpy bunch of feathers, and one pound of muscle is small and valuable like a piece of gold. Obviously, you want to lose the dumpy, bulky feathers and keep the sleek beautiful gold. The problem with the scale is that it doesn?t differentiate between the two. It can?t tell you how much of your total body weight is lean tissue and how much is fat. There are several other measuring techniques that can accomplish this, although they vary in convenience, accuracy, and cost. Skin-fold calipers pinch and measure fat folds at various locations on the body, hydrostatic (or underwater) weighing involves exhaling all of the air from your lungs before being lowered into a tank of water, and bioelectrical impedance measures the degree to which your body fat impedes a mild electrical current.

If the thought of being pinched, dunked, or gently zapped just doesn?t appeal to you, don?t worry. The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don?t be discouraged by a small gain on the scale. Fluctuations are perfectly normal. Expect them to happen and take them in stride. It?s a matter of mind over scale.

oggsfrog · 24/05/2008 09:09

Thanks for the Columbo....food for thought indeed . Very interesting.

BlueBirdz · 24/05/2008 15:28

Hello

Just started low carbing 4 days ago. I'm not doing Atkins as such but, as I have PCOS (polycystic ovary syndrome), a low carb diet is supposed to be a good way for me to control it...plus I need to lose a few pounds (or stone )

I don't have any scales at the moment so can't weigh myself but I was around or over the 11st mark last time I did and I'm only 5'3 ish. 9 stone would be a good weight for me I think.

I have cut out bread, rice, pasta, potatoes, chocolate, cakes etc...and I eat plenty of protein and veggies. I've also been eating small amounts of fruit like blueberries and unsweetened cream or yoghurt. I expect it will take longer for this to have any effect as I'm not doing an induction phase like you do on Atkins. Well done all who are trying this or have already had success

ColumboEtc · 26/05/2008 21:34

It's getting a bit quiet on this thread. Is everyone still on the wagon and just busy with other things? Or have people gone off the diet?

I am still on it. Finish phase 1 tomorrow, going onto phase 2, except not going to be doing the Idiot Proof Diet as such, just going to keep my carbs low (say below 40) and exercise more. I can't be arsed with introducing each food week by week. Life is too short to mess about.

Also, found my Leslie Kenton X factor diet book which is low carb and better on the recipes and science front I reckon. But anyway, staying low carb.

Hope everyone is OK.

oggsfrog · 27/05/2008 13:12

I'm fed up. First day back on Cambridge after four days off.
The doubts are setting in.
So bloody sick of dieting.

BlueBirdz · 27/05/2008 15:34

Don't lose heart...if the majority of the time you're sticking to your diet or a healthier way of eating, then the occasional break or slip up won't hurt in the long run.

Day 7 for me and my main concern is where I can find a good pre-packaged low carb cereal lol. Bacon and eggs etc has lost its charm in a big way.

SugarBird · 27/05/2008 19:47

Hi everyone. Haven't been on the thread for a while but still low-carbing (pretty much...) I've been doing it since Jan 1st and am a bit bored but hanging in there! Not losing but not gaining anything back either.

BlueBirdz - I'm also sick of bacon and eggs for breakfast and get the gluten free muesli from Holland and Barrett as it's relatively low carb compared with other cereals. Also they sell 85 per cent bran crispbreads, which are very low carb (bit dry, too, but hey!) and great for breakfast with butter and Marmite...

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ColumboEtc · 27/05/2008 21:37

Hiya - re breakfasts, I too am sick of the meat/eggs at breakfast so what I do now is make a shake:

1 scoop chocolate whey protein powder
1 tbs smooth sugar free peanut butter
250 ml soya milk
(I add half a teaspoon splenda too)

Whizz in blender.

This is 25g of protein plus the fat in the peanut butter. Because I use Solgar protein powder there is 8g of carbs in this, but across the day I still keep under my limit and it is so worth it 'cos the vanilla one tastes yacky and this one is yummy. Can stick in a tupperware beaker and take out of the house too.

Keeps me going to lunch, and I don't have to think about what I am going to have, or cook anything.

aquasea · 27/05/2008 22:09

Thanks for that Columbo. I haven't been around for a while so I have only just seen it. It made me feel a lot better. I have been weighing myself every day but I am going to try to stop. Who cares what the scales say, it's how I look and feel that matters... good in theory but those damn scales are so seductive
Oggs, don't lose enthusiasm. You are doing so well. Just imagine the total hottie you are going to be if you stick with it. Imagine how good you will feel about yourself and what you have achieved.
Hi Bluebirdz. Welcome.