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Bariatric surgery thread 4

162 replies

HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 09/02/2023 09:37

I'm not the OP but I just accidentally took the last post on thread 3 and some people including me were in the middle of conversations! Hope you can find your way over here!

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HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 25/02/2023 11:18

@Questionsbarisurg - I don't think my guy does private, but I couldn't afford it so I didn't ask. I don't like the hospital I am under but I don't think he works anywhere else. He told me about duodenal switch, he said its the most highly restrictive and he doesn't recommend it - it sounded scary. He would have had to transfer me to a London hospital to have it done.

@eldorado02 I was hungry when I came round from surgery! I had heard of a few people being hungry with a sleeve and I thought yeah knowing my luck I'll be one of them. And I am. Its not real hunger its just the urge to eat - compulsive eating, which is my issue in any case. But good to have that Facebook group etc that you are on so that you can discuss with others, see what their experience has been.

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HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 25/02/2023 11:26

@Arsewangry I'm sorry I pinched your thread but glad to see you back!

Interesting to see others like @GreenLeavesRustling and @Im99912 talking about issues with hunger etc after a sleeve, and stats about putting x% of weight back on within so many years. I had no choice it was sleeve or nothing and the 4 stone I lost has meant I can walk more easily - before that I could barely walk at all, was even embarrassed getting up from my desk at work to put a cup in the sink. So in those terms, I was grateful to have it (NHS) and its given me a quality of life. But to think here we are discussing 2nd surgeries Sad

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Questionsbarisurg · 25/02/2023 18:23

@HangerLaneGyratorySystem yes it does look scary and I don’t see many offering that op so maybe that’s the reason why I’m just so scared of never getting this weight all off. At the minute eating so little cals and not losing is really playing with my head and before the op if you had told me lossing 7 stone I would have said I’d been happy at that but now that I’m here I’m like no I do want to get to a healthy bmi and lose more.

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Whyisitsososohard · 28/02/2023 11:59

Hi all

I was active on the thread under a different username when I had my surgery in autumn 2021. I'm not just under 1.5 years out. Hoping for a bit of advice / support. But nits Urr if I need it from people a bit longer out..

My journey hasn't been easy and I've had an appetite from day 1. I've certainly not experienced being full from a few bites. Despite this I've lost 80lb ish.

But now I'm gaining a little. I've had a very had and disruptive time personally recently. So some of it is that. But before that and aside from it I'm just really hungry. I'm also able to eat quite a bit.

I feel like food just passes through my stomach very quickly. I am hungry an hour after eating.

I'm getting enough water and protein. I'm vegetarian but still get lots of protein. I'm on a high does of omeparazol as I have acid issues. But they are controlled with this.

I'm wondering if it could be acid presenting as hunger. Or there's an issue with the shape of my stomach and food is sliding through? Anyone got any experience of this?

Thanks on advance I'm really struggling!

bellac11 · 28/02/2023 12:19

Im no expert as Im just new to this, just in my 3rd week now but one thing that has struck me is that although generally speaking the theory is that most people after surgery should stick to a daily calorie intake of 800-1000, they also advise that theres no need to track that. Which I find odd

Im no where near eating that amount yet as still getting used to eating again but I do track everything I eat to make sure I get my protein. Once you're around a year gone or more I dont know what the calorie expectations are and whether having lost weight, if you go over that, its difficult to maintain or lose more?

I think I have some sort of indigestion/heartburn/acid, not sure which and sometimes it feels to me like hunger. I dont think its physically possibly to be properly physically hungry an hour after eating. But that knawing feeling can have a similar feel I find

Im99912 · 02/03/2023 11:34

@Arsewangry
I had a sleeve then a mini gp for gerd reflux
initially the restriction isn’t like the sleeve and I was thinking WTF as I remember the feeling of feeling full on a spoonful of fresh air 😂😂
but I’m a month out exactly today lost around 18lbs
and I do have restriction similar to the sleeve now it seems to kick in later rather than straight away

bellac11 · 02/03/2023 11:38

Im99912 · 02/03/2023 11:34

@Arsewangry
I had a sleeve then a mini gp for gerd reflux
initially the restriction isn’t like the sleeve and I was thinking WTF as I remember the feeling of feeling full on a spoonful of fresh air 😂😂
but I’m a month out exactly today lost around 18lbs
and I do have restriction similar to the sleeve now it seems to kick in later rather than straight away

What were the symptoms of your GERD?

Arsewangry · 04/03/2023 17:23

I started soft foods yesterday and am definitely feeling the restriction now!! I'm so happy. I had bolognese last night and ate until I felt satisfied and was feeling full after about 10 mins, it felt good to be full after so little food. That sounds weird I know, but I feel relief that I won't be able to stuff my face anymore.

Questionsbarisurg · 09/03/2023 17:35

@Im99912 how are you getting on post mgb? Did your scars heal ok and are they in similar locations to previous sleeve scars?

hope everyone is doing good

eldorado02 · 18/03/2023 10:53

Popping in to say hello at 8 weeks post op. All going very well - most definitely finding my rhythm and what works for me specifically. For example, I can drink right up to eating, but then need an hour after eating to drink, whereas a lot of people need half an hour before and half an hour after.

I’m enjoying having more veg at last, but still prioritising protein. I’m being very conscious of water and nutrition, but I’m sure this is a honeymoon phase and I’ll have to develop coping strategies when things aren’t perfect in the future.

Now I really need to get some more exercise in. I had an appt with my provider’s PT this week and he uses an app to set workouts, which is helpful - just need to bloody do them now!

I’ve lost 15.5kg so far, and I seem to be consistently losing around 1kg a week since my initial big losses, which is very encouraging and hopefully sustainable for at least another few weeks. My surgeon hadn’t actually set a target, but I want to try for 63kg, which he agreed to be reasonable when we had our follow up consultation last week, so that’s another 15kg to go. I can do this!

food and eating is still taking up a lot of my mental space, though. I’m constantly thinking about what I need to eat and buy and cook. I’ve also been away a lot over the past couple of weeks, so I’ve had to develop coping strategies for that. It’s been fine, but I’m knackered! Eating dinner with colleagues in the hotel was slightly confronting, as I just could not eat much food (maybe a sixth of a meal) and I was paranoid about what others thought - so silly! No one cares!

anyway, enough rambling. All is positive and I’m feeling very well, which is ultimately why I wanted to do this. I’m excited to do my first bloods in the next few months and really hope to see an improvement in my liver function and my cholesterol 🤞🏻

Questionsbarisurg · 21/03/2023 17:53

Your doing fantastic @eldorado02 did your colleagues know you had had the op when you where only able to eat so little in front of them?

I think I have faced facts that almost 18months out I am not able to get anymore weight off so may book for revision surgery to change to bypass in the hope of getting the other half of my excess weight off. It will most likely be august before I can take the time off work to do so. Another surgery scares the life out of me but I feel I’ve come too far to not finally get to a healthy bmi.

DeoForty · 04/04/2023 15:16

Hello. I'm looking for experiences of anyone who continued to lose weight after a year? I'm 18 months out and still losing (albeit very very slowly). BMI is 26 so I can still 'afford' to keep losing. It's more what to expect and experience of rebound weight gain. My social media experience is either - at target, somehow coinciding with not losing any more or people trying to shift a few more pounds.

I'm of the mentality that whatever I end at is the right weight and I've no desire to reduce or restrict to reach an arbitrary goal. But wondering what other experiences are of being in extended period of losing and letting the weight loss come to a natural end.

Im99912 · 22/04/2023 17:19

@Questionsbarisurg.
scars healed fine my surgeon just went in through my Gastric Sleeve scars so no extra scaring

Im finally in the 10s on the scales 10.11 this morning
I’ve lost just short of 2stone since my bypass in Feb and people are really noticing it now I saw my beautician today who I haven’t seen for a few weeks and she was like wow you have lost loads 😂

I did have a stall of around two weeks end of March but recently the weight loss has been more consistent

I would like to get to 10.6 and i think that will be enough for me

my reflux has gone away that stopped pretty much within days of the op

ThePastKnocks · 29/04/2023 18:01

I'm going ahead with surgery soon and it may have been mentioned before but I'm curious about the following:

What I should do in prep for the surgery? (Diet is obviously planned for a pre-op diet shortly before but I've read a few people suggest that eating from smaller plates, chew more and walk for half an hour a day to prepare, anything I'm missing?)
Will I need more pillows in bed?
Anything I need to prepare for mentally?
What protein shakes, specialist bariatric food and vitamins have been useful to you? (I'm in the UK so looking for UK recommendations)

Lastly, how quickly did the incisions take to heal for those that have had laparoscopic gastric sleeve? I have a lively toddler who likes to bounce on my belly (mainly because it's in the way of my lap).

HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 29/04/2023 22:36

@Questionsbarisurg hello again, just popped on to say I am now booked to have the revision (NHS) in June. I'm really worried about having it done but my weight is affecting my health so badly its sort of last chance saloon over here (I'm 60).

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HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 29/04/2023 22:44

@ThePastKnocks haven't you been given any books or leaflets post op diet? If just a sleeve then you'll be able to try things like protein yoghurts and soup a few days after the op, just a few mouthfuls. My hospitals pre-op diet is soup, milk and yoghurt so that's easy enough and basically what you'll be having immediately afterwards. I also got a few protein shake drinks from the supermarket. Some people recommended protein water but I found it pretty foul. You really do need to get some literature or buy a book on it though, too much to go through in depth here.

When I came home I used some more pillows to sit up for a few weeks - if I sat back it hurt for some reason, also it's quite hard to turn over in bed first few days. And you won't be able to have a toddler on your lap, you could seriously injure yourself internally - do you have a DP or family who would help?

I was back driving and walking normally after 10 days but it was nice to have some rest. People normally feel quite tired for the first few days. Hope all goes well!

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Fifi0 · 29/04/2023 23:24

bellac11 · 28/02/2023 12:19

Im no expert as Im just new to this, just in my 3rd week now but one thing that has struck me is that although generally speaking the theory is that most people after surgery should stick to a daily calorie intake of 800-1000, they also advise that theres no need to track that. Which I find odd

Im no where near eating that amount yet as still getting used to eating again but I do track everything I eat to make sure I get my protein. Once you're around a year gone or more I dont know what the calorie expectations are and whether having lost weight, if you go over that, its difficult to maintain or lose more?

I think I have some sort of indigestion/heartburn/acid, not sure which and sometimes it feels to me like hunger. I dont think its physically possibly to be properly physically hungry an hour after eating. But that knawing feeling can have a similar feel I find

No basal metabolic rate is different for everyone. I'd be dead if I had 800-1000 . I'm 2 years out bmi is 20 from 41 my tdee is around 1680. It's much higher than I thought and I really struggle to keep my weight up never thought I'd say that.

ItWasTheBestOfTimes · 30/04/2023 06:44

I'm almost 5 weeks post op from the sleeve. Incisions took about 10 days to heal but I was still very conscious of not lifting my preschooler until recently as I didn't want to do any damage internally. I felt really tired for the first week but my energy levels have been fine since.

Initial post op diet seems to vary from clinic to clinic. My clinic did clear fluids only first day, then 50ml actimel drink every 2-3 hours day 2-3, then 50 -75ml of protein shake every 2-3 hours for the rest of week 1. Week 2 was homemade runny soup and smoothies alongside protein shakes, 100-125ml per meal. Whereas my friend went elsewhere and was on runny purées a few days after her op. I actually didn't feel much restriction at all until I started purées week 3, 150g per meal, and was worried at first that it hadn't worked.

bellac11 · 30/04/2023 07:34

Fifi0 · 29/04/2023 23:24

No basal metabolic rate is different for everyone. I'd be dead if I had 800-1000 . I'm 2 years out bmi is 20 from 41 my tdee is around 1680. It's much higher than I thought and I really struggle to keep my weight up never thought I'd say that.

Yes although you're comparing apples and oranges though, although my post wasnt clear. I was speaking from being 3 weeks out, you are 2 years out!!! Of course you're eating the calories you are.

At the moment ( 11 weeks) my daily target is 850. I rarely reach that. My nutritionist has given me that target because 1000 cals a day is too overwhelming, so I need to get to 850 with a view to increasing that to 1000

One day Im sure I'll be on a normalish amount similar to you although my BMR is very low generally

bellac11 · 30/04/2023 08:21

ThePastKnocks · 29/04/2023 18:01

I'm going ahead with surgery soon and it may have been mentioned before but I'm curious about the following:

What I should do in prep for the surgery? (Diet is obviously planned for a pre-op diet shortly before but I've read a few people suggest that eating from smaller plates, chew more and walk for half an hour a day to prepare, anything I'm missing?)
Will I need more pillows in bed?
Anything I need to prepare for mentally?
What protein shakes, specialist bariatric food and vitamins have been useful to you? (I'm in the UK so looking for UK recommendations)

Lastly, how quickly did the incisions take to heal for those that have had laparoscopic gastric sleeve? I have a lively toddler who likes to bounce on my belly (mainly because it's in the way of my lap).

Who is your provider and where are you getting it done?

Personally I worked really hard to lose as much weight as I could and try to adapt what I thought would happen after the surgery. So I stuck to around 1000-1200 cals a day, considerably cut down my portion sizes, very small meals, did low carb high protein.

I lost over 2 stone in 2 months, then a holiday and xmas came along and then it was time to start my LRD which wasnt that different to my own diet although much lower in fat, they like you to eat very low fat during the LRD because the liver needs to shrink and soften up.

Your provider should have advice and guidance about what they want you to eat and drink after the operation and also how long each phase is. For some reason it changes from provider to provider

Mine was 2 weeks liquids, 2 weeks puree, then 2 weeks mashed foods.

I personally do not eat artificial sweetners and so these periods were quite difficult in terms of getting the right products. A lot of people rely on protein shakes which are full of them, also protein waters (which I did try and drink) are full of them. I also dont like milky products like milk shakes so I really didnt use these type of products.
What I did have was lots of water, bovril, cuppa soups. I tried thinned soups and thinned yoghurts but it was too heavy for me and I found it difficult getting it down. I bought unflavoured protein powder and just added that to hot drinks or weetabix and I still do this in order to get the protein in.
During the puree stage I tended to just mash things a lot, had mashed potato, cant get on with egg at all now. Weetabix, mashed up cauliflower cheese
I do really struggle to get food down me as I still have the feelings of something sitting in my chest and throat, it is getting better however so my intake has gone up a bit now. Im still not on the calories I should be but am working up to that, however I do meet my protein and liquid targets most days so that is ok.
I am struggling with animal proteins so have gone mostly veggie with a view to keep trying the animal proteins to get used to them, they are getting slightly easier to get in. Ideally my protein will come from food not my powders but Im not there yet and may not be for many months. I now cant drink water at all, all my liquid every day is made up of tea and coffee, which I have to have very hot.

All of this is very different for each person, on my support group there are people who could eat quite a lot quite soon after surgery and genuinely feel hungry. There are others who are worse off than me and have a lot of sickness and struggle to get food in. It does seem to ease as time goes on

My weight loss has been 'slow' apparently, just under 2 stone at the 9 week point (I dont weigh myself very much so not due for a weigh in until week 12). My surgeon said he is pleased with my progress overall but it is quite a slow loss!!! Overall due to the pre op work I did, I am very nearly 5 stone down in 6 months. Perhaps it will speed up if I manage to get more food in, but equally I am peri menopause so Im not expecting it to be like some of the young girls I see in my support group where its dropping off!

My supplements are Baricol and Im meant to take extra iron with that but I havent started the iron again yet as I had constipation after the op and want a few more weeks. Im also taking the protein powder which is collagen, Im also going to take magnesium and biotin. My hair has started falling out already. My surgeon said he wants me to take b12 injections but on Baricol you're not meant to need this, what I have found is that the advice differs according to who you speak to, my nurses, my nutritonist, my surgeon. Bit annoying. Im convinced I have acid reflux, my surgeon says its not, the nurses say it might be! I think my first blood tests are at 6 months.

You wont be able to have your toddler bouncing on your lap. Even now at 11 weeks I get aches and pains in the sites, have to be careful about how I lie in bed, they are healed fine but just a bit achy, probably scar tissue etc.

eldorado02 · 30/04/2023 18:42

Just popping back in (at 14 weeks post sleeve) to chime in with the others and say do not let your toddler bounce on your lap. Besides the damage, it will be massively painful!

With regards to post op sleep, I was told to sleep on my back for a while; from memory, it was about four weeks. I used a normal pillow either side of me to prop up.

eldorado02 · 30/04/2023 18:52

Pressed post too soon!

Once I was able to sleep on my side again, I still had a pillow next to me as it made it more comfortable.

Please go back to your surgery provider to get their post op eating/drinking plan. They differ a little, so what I was told to do might not be consistent with the instructions you’re given. However, it’s a lot of trial and error, so be prepared to buy in lots of random stuff! In my liquid phase, I had:

  • vieve protein waters
  • clear soup with skimmed milk powder stirred in
  • broth/stock
  • peppermint tea
just sip sip sip!

IMO, puree was the worst phase, but that’s not a universal experience. Now, at 14 weeks out, I can eat most things, but struggle with sickness after bread, so I’m avoiding it. If you’re okay with sweeteners, there are so many protein products out there now that will help you get your protein content up each day when you can only fit in so much food. I’ve become a bit of a myprotein fan girl, as I like their clear whey isolate powder, layered protein bars and protein crisps.

I still feel hungry quite a lot, which has been my biggest drawback so far, but I’m slowly making peace with it and it definitely changes from day to day. Overall, getting sleeved has been really positive for me. Just be prepared for two things:

  • the huge regrets in week one
  • feeling cold all the time!
bornonvalentines · 02/05/2023 17:49

Looking for advice from anyone who also suffers with depression.

Stats : 9 months post Bypass. Total loss 5st 10lb, down from 19 stones to just above 13. That's the good news.

Bad news : Serotonin has ceased being absorbed and working. Similarly, iron and b12 tablets also not absorbed, that's been picked up by blood tests. They are to be replaced by infusions/injections.

At least now I know why although my weight is down, my suicidal tendencies are back with a vengance. I'm up to 200g a day Sertraline.

Is there any advice from anyone who's faced this problem too? Thanks in advance.

bellac11 · 02/05/2023 18:37

bornonvalentines · 02/05/2023 17:49

Looking for advice from anyone who also suffers with depression.

Stats : 9 months post Bypass. Total loss 5st 10lb, down from 19 stones to just above 13. That's the good news.

Bad news : Serotonin has ceased being absorbed and working. Similarly, iron and b12 tablets also not absorbed, that's been picked up by blood tests. They are to be replaced by infusions/injections.

At least now I know why although my weight is down, my suicidal tendencies are back with a vengance. I'm up to 200g a day Sertraline.

Is there any advice from anyone who's faced this problem too? Thanks in advance.

Is there an anti depressant which can be taken as an injection or infusion?

I dont know too much about that as Ive had a sleeve rather than bypass but obviously the advantage to a bypass is also the disadvantage which is the absorption issue

What I have noticed in recent weeks is that my anxiety is very bad. I dont know if this is something to do with peri menopause or just the fall out from the procedure and weight loss, Im 12 weeks this coming Friday. I need to raise it with the nurses in my next check up because I would rather not go back on medication for anxiety, I came off anti depressants about 5 years ago and have maintained my MH without meds. Until now!.