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Why We Eat (Too Much) Thread 4

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TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 25/08/2021 09:08

Hi to all regulars and lurkers!

Here's the 4th thread, based on the ideas in Dr Andrew Jenkinson's book. We've seen some amazing losses on these threads, and the benefits for me can be summed up as 'no counting, no starving'.
We don't count calories, and if we're hungry we eat. We're focused on quality.

General eating principles:

No sugar
No wheat (which reduces unhealthy carbs)
No ultra processed foods, and in particular no processed/ultra refined oils
Honourable mention to tipping the balance of omega 3 and 6, but that’s mostly achieved by doing the above.

His principles also include trying to sleep more and reduce stress, and take regular (moderate) exercise.

If any of this sounds promising, please feel free to ask questions and come and join in!

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HairyButtMonkey · 20/10/2021 21:16

Does anyone have any handy resources for figuring out the omega 3 and omega 6 content of foods? I was hoping for an app but can't see anything (an opportunity there for any techy types)

TheLeadbetterLife · 20/10/2021 21:35

At first I did Google the omega ratios of everything, but I quickly realised there are some simple rules that probably shift it all far enough in the right direction without getting obsessed or having to use all manner of charts and whatnot:

  1. Don’t eat foods made with sunflower oil. This cuts out absolutely tons - vast majority of processed food. It’s ridiculous how ubiquitous it is. I don’t like to eat things made with rapeseed (canola) or vegetable oil either.
Don’t cook with the above oils either. Use butter, lard, coconut or extra virgin olive oil instead.
  1. The greener the vegetable, the higher the omega 3. Spinach, cabbage, kale, lettuce - I eat heaps of these. In general, the ratios in vegetables and fruits are fine anyway, but eat the green ones to get lots of omega 3.
  1. Meats, eggs and fish are generally fine as well. Grass fed free range meat is best, as well as oily fish. This is because omega 3 comes from chlorophyll (hence green vegetables), and this works its way down the food chain, from grass in grazing animals and green algae in fish.

Dr Jenkinson is down on nuts and seeds, but I still eat them. I think following the above three rules probably makes a huge difference, and I take a fish oil supplement and eat flaxseed (high omega 3) every day too. Most of the vegetables I eat are green, as I am trying to keep carbs low and I’m not a huge fan of starchy vegetables anyway. I consider all that to give me enough leeway to keep eating nuts, which have so many other benefits, besides being delicious.

Aria999 · 20/10/2021 22:23

That is a great summary @TheLeadbetterLife

Tiredandbored · 20/10/2021 22:41

Hi everyone, just signing in briefly, will do a proper update soon. Life is still busy busy busy, I have a lot going on at the minute and some fairly major life decisions to make in the near future. This has been causing some poor sleep patterns, but I'm glad to say I haven't been tempted to turn to my previous crutches of sugary foods that I would have done so in the past.

Haven't weighed myself in a few days as was on my period, might hop on the scales tomorrow.

Welcome newbies!

Words · 21/10/2021 07:05

Welcome @batmanladybird. You can definitely do this. We've got a great little community going on here between us, so you'll always feel supported.

I've just checked my Fitbit stats. Exactly a year ago, my BMI was 34.7 Shock

It's now 31.1, so still a way to go as am still officially overweight, but hugely improved. The health benefits of that really are worth the time and effort.

On thé self esteem front we all know that clothes sizes vary between manufacturers, so there is a lot of leeway, but if I say the largest items in my previous wardrobe were size 20, and I can now comfortably fit into size 14 trousers from my favourite outdoor shop, you can see what a difference it has made to how I look and how I feel about myself.

I am finding the last stone and a bit to take me to healthy BMI very challenging, but I expected that. Weight loss has slowed from two pounds a week on average, to two pounds a month, so it will take time. I just need to be patient, and maybe look at some further tweaks to the plan over the winter.

@theleadbetterlife - your bread looks amazing. Are you able to share a recipe? I would love to do more with the whey from my own yoghurt making!

And re worry about the harm done, I feel the same and I think I am a few decades ahead of many of us on here too! but all we can do is learn and eat and live well better now.

Having glanced through the Alzheimer's prevention book Kittyrecommended upthread It has confirmed what I suspected.

Although I eat heaps and heaps of all the right veg, exercise well, pay attention to sleep etc, I eat too much meat. Yet I'm afraid none of the vegan recipes in the book leapt out at me at all. I think that is something I need to incorporate gradually. Maybe start with a meat free day a week and see how I go. Need to be careful as I don't want to undo any of the good work achieved weightloss wise by setting unrealistic expectations in that department.

@Aria999 . My cheekbones have re emerged with the weight loss, which is great. But due to menopause, everything else appears to have sagged and lost its spring- ( rather like my favourite armchair. Grin) I am embarrassed to suggest this as it is ludicrously expensive, but Charlotte Tilbury's magic day cream works instant wonders, it really does. Helps with neck and forehead issues also. You only need a little, so it lasts ages. It has made a real difference to my skin.

I've finished the Tim Spector podcast on BBC Sounds. Very interesting, and it has encouraged me to renew my efforts to improve the variety of veg nuts seeds and berries I eat. Like others, I've decided to ignore the no nut suggestion in the book. For me I think benefits outweigh disadvantages.

We had a go at increasing variety of the good stuff over the summer, I recall, so maybe we need a renewed effort for autumn and winter with what's available now. I find it very easy to get into a bit of a rut with my veg buying. 30 different things a week as recommended by Spector ( this is not overtly part of the Jenkinson plan by the way) sounds ridiculous, but is achievable. Not as hard as it sounds if herbs, spices etc are also included.

Dear me what an essay! Sorry. Blush

Words · 21/10/2021 07:08

Argh I wish there was an edit function. Redundant 'too' in the comment about me being a few decades ahead.

Aria999 · 21/10/2021 12:02

@Words thank you, I will check that out!

Words · 21/10/2021 12:41

Not sure if there are any smoothie fans on here, but just made a really nice one, using Ocado's ready made Gazpacho ( with no added nasties) as a base, then added flaxseed , apple cider vinegar, apple, celery, spinach, ginger, turmeric, parsley and cucumber. Very tasty! ( it was market day today, can you tell?) Grin

TheLeadbetterLife · 21/10/2021 14:13

The slow cooker soda bread recipe was loosely based on this one:

bakingqueen74.co.uk/slow-cooker-mozzarella-herb-soda-bread/

Though I noticed that recipe was loosely based on a bunch of other slow cooker soda bread ones online. I used the yoghurt whey in place of the buttermilk.

I only had 250g of spelt flour left, so I added 100g rolled oats, and it was fine (lovely, in fact).

It only needed two hours on high in my slow cooker, so I'd keep an eye on it.

I'm going to make one a week and experiment with different flavours - sun dried tomatoes, cheeses, herbs, chillies.

Words · 21/10/2021 18:07

Ooh Leadbetter that looks absolutely delicious ! I will get some spelt flour tomorrow, and some mozzarella as am out of that, and give it a go over the weekend. Thank you!

batmanladybird · 21/10/2021 22:40

Okay. Going to keep a realy good eye on this

Words · 22/10/2021 06:51

So yesterday I had porridge made with full fat milk, served with blueberries and a chopped date for sweetness. I don't usually eat breakfast and I experienced a real drop in energy a couple of hours later.

Then the surprisingly good, though iffy looking smoothie described previously for lunch.

Then stew made from game mix and red wine, with lentils and green veg, followed by home made Greek yoghurt and more blueberries. Plus two squares dark choc and two dates. I didn't really need those t b h. So may need to reduce treats like that if I remain on this plateau much longer.

Astonishingly, that gave me about 14 of the 30 different varieties recommended by Tim Spector - so it's definitely achievable.

Tiredandbored · 22/10/2021 07:47

@Words, during the summer I decided to keep a record of how many varieties I was eating each week as I had been reading about the gut biome and wanted to see if it was realistic for me to get 30 a week.

I tend to eat a lot of vegetables and fruit anyway, but it was a really good incentive to widen my normal range. I did hit 30 each week, around 20-25 was easily achieved with my normal meals and snacks, but I had to think about introducing some things I wouldn't normally reach for to get to 30.

It can be done with a little planning though.

In fact, one week (just for the challenge!) I decided to see if I could get 50! I had over 50 on my list that I had eaten over the previous weeks, so I knew I had enough of a range, and with some savvy meal planning I managed! Wouldn't recommend that though, it was like a military operation!! 😂😂

Words · 22/10/2021 08:41

Tired I remember that! Grin

Foolishly, I thought at first only about veg accompaniments to meals, rather than the veg in the meals themselves. So any stew type thing I make will always contain carrot onion and celery as a base so that's three for starters, then probably a couple of other veg also.

You're right it is a good incentive to try different things- or things I thought I didn't like much and then discover I do, actually!

samthebordercollie · 22/10/2021 13:47

Yes, it's a lot easier than you'd think to incorporate 30 different plants in a week. Yesterday I had my homemade soup for lunch (4 veg), flax and chia seeds in greek yogurt, a handful of cashews and almonds, then dinner was homemade dahl curry which had 8 plants, plus green salad (no rice), so that was 17 in one day. Although as I eat the same lunch every day, plus nuts, the amount wouldn't be as great every day.

Arcadia · 22/10/2021 17:49

Hey all I'm really interested in this! I had been instinctively cutting back on processed food already and cooking a lot more from scratch, and finally have the book from the library!
However there's a problem... I can't seem to get into the book! I am not good with non-fiction. I skipped to the back and skim read the 'plan' and get the whole thing about insulin levels and balancing the omega oils, I don't know if I have the patience to read the book though! Is it essential to or can I find a summary of the 'rules' in one place?
Another problem - am dairy free (as well as gluten free, which is not so much of a problem) and a lot of the replacement dairy products contain the wrong type of oils, e.g. in oat milk which I love to have in coffee.
Any advice??
I only have about half a stone to lose, but want to improve overall health as am in peri menopause and get awful migraines, frequently.
Thanks!

Aria999 · 22/10/2021 18:29

Hi Arcadia! I don't think the book itself contains a summary but there are a few on these threads if you read back a bit. Sounds like maybe you did already as you have the main points.

Personally I follow this WOE in a very dairy intensive way but there are others who don't.

I suggest you begin by changing what you can and don't worry too much about what you can't change, and see how you get on. So keep having the oat milk but make sure you eat lots of fat, protein and leafy vegetables. @TheLeadbetterLife did a great summary of the main things to focus on a few posts back.

Good luck!

Arcadia · 22/10/2021 19:26

Thanks @Aria I have been reading the thread.
by the way I got into mindful chef meal boxes early in pandemic - no processed food or wheat or dairy in any of the recipes, meat and fish very good quality. Good veggie and vegan options. We were on a good NHS discount, now has been reduced so we mainly buy ingredients and makes ourselves. You can search their recipes for free on their website. Just had Italian sun dried butter bean casserole with broccoli and sweet pot wedges - used olive oil.
I've noticed my health improving and my appetite levelling out from using their recipes, and I often take leftovers for lunch.

Arcadia · 22/10/2021 20:27

Sorry @Aria that sounded rude when I read it back! Thanks for your advice and I'll look back for that post you mention.

Thatsnotall · 22/10/2021 21:18

Hi all, I’m new to this thread and am desperate. 3 stone to lose and just all over the place…. Will try and find the book and get started - it sounds interesting x

Aria999 · 22/10/2021 22:47

No worries @Arcadia I didn't take it as rude!

Hi @Thatsnotall welcome!

Words · 23/10/2021 07:04

Welcome @arcadia and @Thatsnotall Smile

This week I have discovered I lost all the weight I gained on my hideous mini excursion into the weeds, so am now firmly back on track. I feel really well, and very relieved I was able to pull things back so quickly.

For anyone new with a fair amount to lose, I discovered these threads in June/July, having been doing my own version of this plan ( cooking from scratch, reducing but not excluding carbs, and increasing veg consumption; aiming for better and more regulated sleep, and introducing more exercise) for the previous six months, during which I lost three stones.

Since then I've lost almost another, so am just working on the final part to take me into healthy BMI. This is taking a while, but I knew it would.

This week, three people have said 'You look well!' Which is usually code for ' you've lost weight!' Isn't it!

For all our newbies, it's worth pointing out that despite my own and others' focus on weight loss, the book isn't strictly a weight loss diet, and it's guidance is, deliberately I think, fairly loose. Some people might find this disconcerting at first, but it is worth persisting with. Weight loss is a by product of eating better, basically.

I think it's about reaching a place where we take the broad principles, then intuitively eat what is right for ourselves, ( bearing in mind that what suits one person may not suit another quite so well) - rather than rigidly counting and measuring in a land of permanent deprivation. I've done both, and I know which approach is more pleasureable and therefore sustainable.

In the gym this week, my trainer reminded me to disengage my brain and relax ( So ditch the 'Today is Thursday! You must therefore do half an hour on the elliptical and 20 minutes on the resistance machines!' Grin) and instead listen to my body more, as I am not training for a specific event or anything, but keeping fit and toning up. It needs to remain enjoyable.

Perhaps the same applies to this woe, too. Smile

HighlandCowbag · 23/10/2021 12:12

Hello all, just checking in.

Well done on pulling it back @words, it does come off again doesn't it?

It was my birthday yesterday so went out for an Indian meal, did treat myself to half a nan bread which I don't usually do. Was naughty but very nice. Also out for tea with the kids later to the pub so likely be very off plan but I'm OK with that.

Despite a few mixed weeks lost another 1/2 lb this week. Ive also had loads of comments this week re weight loss from friends and family I haven't seen for a while so that has been nice.

Will be back on it properly tomorrow. Half term here next week so can be a bit tricky t negotiate but I am planning food and shopping on Monday.

TheLeadbetterLife · 23/10/2021 13:00

Happy birthday @HighlandCowbag! I'm very impressed by your restraint, when I go out I never hold back (and certainly wouldn't restrict myself to half a naan bread). This is probably why I am not shifting these last kilos.

It was our anniversary yesterday so we went out for dinner. We had olives, cheese, ham, crab, prawns and then a rabbit stew. All of which sounds good until I add that it was accompanied by bread, buttered toast, white rice and chips, in the traditional Portuguese manner. And then we had pudding.

We are off to Madeira for a couple of days tomorrow for my birthday, and I am salivating at the prospect of the garlic bread that is apparently the speciality there. I'm hoping that a lot of walking on vertiginous cliffs will stave off complete disaster.

Words · 23/10/2021 16:07

Happy Birthday and Happy Anniversary, Highland and * Leadbetter* !

Garlic bread... mmm...

Speaking of bread, I've got @TheLeadbetterLife 's slow cooker sour dough made with spelt flour on the go as we speak!

It's looking promising and I think will be done in two hours rather than the three in the recipe...