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Just can't loose anything no matter what I do!! HELP

55 replies

Mandyjohnston71 · 03/05/2017 20:46

Just can't loose weight no matter what!! Any advice would be appreciated. I've tried everything!

OP posts:
troodiedoo · 05/05/2017 09:54

As others have said, don't exercise to lose weight. Do it because you enjoy it or don't do it. A daily brisk walk of at least 30 mins has health benefits.

Stop cheating at weekends. You can have one cheat day every 2/3 weeks once you're at your target. If you feel like you need a reward for sticking to diet mon-Fri then you're on the wrong diet. I would recommend low carb for taste and feeling satisfied. Does require organisation and planning though. Good luck!

QuiteLikely5 · 05/05/2017 10:02

Please please try low carbing. It will be hard for the first few days but believe me it's much less faff than obsessing over your calories/exceeding and all that

You just need to eat high fat food and nothing processed - it really does work

ImogenR · 05/05/2017 13:37

antimatter Sorry, I forgot to attach it. Doh. That's the one.

troodiedoo You are right - in as much as the longer you can go at first without cheating - or 'reloading' - the better. Just because fewer calories is what we are after. But I've found that when you weigh yourself everyday you can soon see exactly how much you can reload and how much you can offset the calories. Then having that control gives you a great mental advantage. And I think that is the key to really sticking to it and not giving up or not letting it turn into a slippery slope.

antimatter · 05/05/2017 18:05

np Imogen I often look up websites ppl recommend and add them to threads so I can find them later on if needed Grin

charimito · 05/05/2017 18:29

Just a couple of points:

Do try and exercise even if you don't like it atm, I hated being active and 6 months later I'm training for marathons and enjoying it!

Do have cheat meals, and they can be on a weekly basis but over all you have to keep

a deficit.

Weighting yourself every day is good but it doesn't really reflect calorie intake, it reflects your weight trend. Fluctuation is normal and expected

BahHumbygge · 06/05/2017 11:40

First off, do you have a metabolic condition such as PCOS or insulin resistance, even at a low/subclinical level, eg irregular periods, greasy skin, excess body hair, apple shape. That can make weight loss much harder.

I would try low carb. Ditch the low fat products, they’re choc full of excess sugar (to replace the flavour of the fat taken out), artificial sweeteners and general flavourless gack.

Ditch: sugar, syrups, alcohol, anything sweet flavoured, cold soft drinks, potatoes, rice, bread, pasta etc, low fat dairy, low fat anything, most processed foods like commercial sauces, breakfast cereal etc.

Do eat: meat esp fatty cuts, fish, eggs, full fat dairy, cheese, fresh raw salads, lightly cooked vegetables (go for mainly above ground veg rather than roots), fresh or frozen berries (unsweetened), EV olive oil, butter, coconut, lard/goose fat.

typical day:

Breakfast: FF authentic greek yoghurt (Total or Aldi… preferably not “greek style”) with double cream. Scant 1/4 cup of berries, splash of vanilla

Lunch: big dinner bowl of raw salad, chunky batons of halloumi wrapped in streaky bacon & fried, or a fillet of smoked mackerel

Dinner: homemade lamb burger, or steak, or roast chicken pieces with a huge pile of buttery lightly steamed veg

Snack: slice of cheese and pastrami/parma ham etc rolled up

Drink: coffee with cream, one or two cups of tea with FF milk, herb teas, lots of water (2 to 3 litres)

Don’t count calories, you’re not an internal combustion engine! The body is a complex biochemical and metabolic powerhouse. It’s not that the laws of physics don’t apply, it’s the fact that eating different patterns of macronutrients (protein/fat/carbs) has a huge differential effect on how those calories within the food are metabolised and where they go in the body. It’s not calories per se that cause weight gain, but the body’s insulin response to those calories that direct the body to convert them to body fat and lay them down. CICO is not wrong, but irrelevant when you have biochemical/metabolic processes at play.

250 calories of kale and bacon omelette will have a completely different effect on the body’s metabolism and weight patterns than 250 calories of lucky stars breakfast cereal with skimmed milk.

Ergo, eat a diet that has a minimal effect on your blood sugar levels and insulin response. So this is where LCHF comes in, it has been shown by blood tests to be very low insulemic. Insulin is the fat storage hormone… it is anabolic - builds you up.

Likewise, a low GI diet is good for evening out the blood sugar levels. However the fatal flaw of low GI is that it doesn’t account for fructose. Table sugar only has a GI of about 41, which is the glucose component. However, the other part fructose is far more deadly than glucose, leading to obesity, chronic metabolic diseases and liver/pancreas dysfunction. But because it doesn’t have a direct glycemic response, it’s not accounted for in GI food ratings. So if you do go for a GI approach, avoid anything sweetened with sugar/syrup/honey/agave. Eat only fruit with a high fibre to sweetness ratio (sour temperate fruit like berries & apples rather than juicy sweet tropical fruit like mangos).

In evolutionary times, sugar was either limited by the short seasonality of fruit or protected by bees. That was only a few generations ago… our bodies haven’t yet caught up with having 24/7/365 access to supermarkets, drive thru fast food joints and donut stands in shopping malls. Our bodies cannot cope with the sudden hyper-availability of sweet and carby foods, hence why at the demographic level we have such huge problems with obesity, diabetes, metabolic chronic disease etc.

Doing exercise doesn’t correspond to weight loss in any linear fashion, but it’s still brilliant to do in its own right. Burning 750 calories is not going to lose a commensurate amount of body fat. It comes back to insulin again… doing exercise massively improves your insulin sensitivity… so your pancreas has to pump out lower amounts of insulin in response to one unit of glucose in the blood.

Less insulin = fewer hormonal messages telling your body to put down fat stores.

Read John Briffa Escape the Diet Trap, goes into all the details about the approach.

troodiedoo · 06/05/2017 12:52

Great post BahHumbygge

OwlinaTree · 06/05/2017 13:28

It is very informative, I agree. I do wonder how maintainable this type of diet is though. I know I need a diet where if I want something sweet I know I can work it in. I don't think I could stick to a diet knowing I could never have a bit of chocolate or a few potatoes or a glass of wine. Lots of the good and a little of the rest works better for me.

Loubilou09 · 06/05/2017 16:20

Great post bah humbygge

Real shame the OP hasn't come back to read some of the great advice people have taken time to post Smile

inthekitchensink · 06/05/2017 16:34

Low carb high fat gives fast and great results, with buckets of energy, search out the low carb bootcamp threads on here. Don't count exercise as a reason to allow an increase in calories if you must count them, stop drinking alcohol for a couple of weeks, and stop seeing food/drink as treats! That just makes you feel deprived or rewarded which is a basis behind disordered eating.

If low carb, high fat isn't for you (nothing will give better results) then log everything you eat on to My Fitness Pal but add an extra 100 calories to each daily log to cover any poor estimation of portion size. Stick to under 9000 calories a week. That gives you the option of a couple of days of pizza/wine if you restrict intake either side. Weight loss will be much slower than a low carb plan but it is easy to stick to and requires less planning overall. Good luck!

MrsPeelyWaly · 06/05/2017 17:25

It is very informative, I agree. I do wonder how maintainable this type of diet is though. I know I need a diet where if I want something sweet I know I can work it in. I don't think I could stick to a diet knowing I could never have a bit of chocolate or a few potatoes or a glass of wine. Lots of the good and a little of the rest works better for me*

It's really user friendly. Extremely so. And I do know what you mean about wanting to work in something sweet but the funny thing is now I'm eating the way I am I don't really want anything sweet. I'd sit here at night and eat 2 snickers but the desire for it vanished in 4 weeks.

And if I told you I also have a gastric band that never worked for me would it help you to understand that this way of eating is extremely do-able.

For dinner tonight I'm having a really nice fish pie with a very thin potato topping that's covered in cheese.

OwlinaTree · 06/05/2017 17:35

That's great it's working so well for you. We are all different!

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MrsPeelyWaly · 06/05/2017 18:12

*Today 17:35 OwlinaTree

That's great it's working so well for you. We are all different

Yes we are all different but I'm pretty sure we've all been in the situation where we didn't like what we were hearing because the time wasn't right for us to like it.

Oh and forgot to add I had a glass of wine with dinner and a piece of homemade chocolate brownie for dessert because it's the weekend.

charimito · 06/05/2017 18:54

Indeed we're all different! I once tried the 5:2 for 2 months and I think over all I lost 5lbs in 8 weeks, I was not impressed and it was also giving me anxiety. I've tried the pills route as well I was on orlistat for years and even once got prescribed amphetamines again neither of them really worked.

MrsPeelyWaly · 06/05/2017 19:42

Am I going bonkers or is some of this thread missing?

MrsPeelyWaly · 06/05/2017 19:44

Am I going bonkers or is some of this thread missing?

OwlinaTree · 06/05/2017 19:45

Yes we are all different but I'm pretty sure we've all been in the situation where we didn't like what we were hearing because the time wasn't right for us to like it.

This is a little rude. I've not said I don't like it, or it's not accurate or true. All I've said is I don't think it will work for me. It's not the way I want to eat. You can choose your own path.

MrsPeelyWaly · 06/05/2017 20:04

This is a little rude. I've not said I don't like it, or it's not accurate or true. All I've said is I don't think it will work for me. It's not the way I want to eat. You can choose your own path

It's not rude. It was in response to the exclamation mark in your previous reply which gave the impression you were angry and didn't like what you were reading.

OwlinaTree · 06/05/2017 20:11

Sorry the ! was supposed to just be a light hearted thing, I was not angry. As I said, we are all different. I only didn't like the idea of no potatoes, not at all suggesting the diet wouldn't work! I love potatoes Blush

ImogenR · 06/05/2017 21:33

You can't just 'stop' seeing food / drink as a treat. The pleasure of great food, shared with people you love is one of the biggest treats of my life - which I am blessed to enjoy nearly every day. If you try to fight the pleasure, treat, indulgence of food then for many people, life will be miserable. To get a diet to work isn't about the all the scientific stuff. The basics are simple. But simple doesn't mean easy. And the issue we all face is that we eat more than our bodies need. That's the society we live in. So the solution is in how you eat more than just what.

For all those who can treat food as fuel, good luck to them. I'm losing weight but I would rather put it all back on than go without the love of food that I enjoy.

OwlinaTree · 06/05/2017 22:48

I agree Imogen.

MrsPeelyWaly · 07/05/2017 03:29

Sorry the ! was supposed to just be a light hearted thing, I was not angry. As I said, we are all different. I only didn't like the idea of no potatoes, not at all suggesting the diet wouldn't work! I love potatoes blush

Ah, ok thank you. Smile

I love potatoes too and Im not as low carb as others who are eating this way as I found it was too much like Atkins for my liking. So it probably correct to say Im low carb for me and at a level that is suiting me and my blood sugar and my overall progress. Anyway, my son in law is a Dr with a personal interest in sports medicine and nutrition, he's superfit and is the one who's getting me sorted out along with my Crossfit coach. Initially I just did what they told me because I was fed up of myself being an 'expert on weight loss plans who never lost weight' but recently Ive started to become really interested in what Im doing. Im liking this way of doing and all the more so because Im a failed gastric bander. Why did the band fail? Well thats easy. I should never have had it in the first place because my eating habits were more suited to bypass type surgery but the thought filled me with horror and to be honest Id rather have died fat than had that done. Anyway, I had the band done against medical advice and I never went back for the first fill because I hated having it . I was actually ashamed I had the band and its only now I realise how much its always meant to me that one day I got my weight off on my own. Doing what I'm doing is helping me do that - but I still have a long way to go.

The pleasure of great food, shared with people you love is one of the biggest treats of my life - which I am blessed to enjoy nearly every day

I agree.

Loubilou09 · 07/05/2017 08:24

MrsPeely - very interesting experiences you have had 🙂Thanks for your insights, you are doing brilliantly! I keep thinking of lowering my carbs again as it is a great way of eating..I am not really high carb at the moment but I have let things creep in and all it dies is make me crave sugar and carbs more! Going to knuckle back down from tomorrow I think. Thx for posting 👍

Loubilou09 · 07/05/2017 08:24

All it "does"'

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