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Emotional eating and self sabotage

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OldBooks · 26/12/2016 20:24

On this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2811257-lets-sort-our-lives-out-in-2017 I mentioned that I need to lose weight but struggle with negative thoughts around dieting. So I would like to ask if anyone has any suggestions, resources, similar stories to inspire and help me.

Background (apologies for length): I have been a 'big girl' ever since I hit puberty, diagnosed with PCOS in my late teens. I seem to settle at size 16-18 and usually weigh around 90-100 kilos. I am now in my 30s and have just had DD2 which has obviously affected my tummy and I look flabbier than ever. I have lost weight in the past on low-carb diets or on 5:2 but always get derailed and never manage to maintain any loss.

My mother is a classic narcissist and we have a difficult relationship. One of her biggest sticking points is my weight. She herself is vain and insecure and constantly references her weight, what she is eating, how she needs to exercise etc. She grabs her tummy and says how disgusting she looks. This is almost a game or a habit as she never actually does anything to address it. Ever since I started to gain weight in my teens she has commented on it, screamed and shouted at me to lose weight, been extremely negative etc to the point of giving me a huge complex, shredding my self esteem/confidence and leaving me with disordered thoughts around food and eating. Of course she never actually helped me to take any positive steps to lose weight or begin exercising, and I have come to understand that in a way she actually wants me to be overweight as it reduces my threat to her vanity and she has sabotaged me to ensure I stay big, eg always bringing cakes/biscuits when she visits. I have struggled with depression and anxiety and have found my negative thinking about my appearance has affected my life, especially before I met my DH. For example missing a friend's wedding because I thought I looked hideous in all my outfits.

I was always a 'good girl', no drinking, smoking, boys and successful academically - eating was my only 'vice'. I comfort eat a lot, when I am stressed, sad, angry, bored etc I immediately crave sweet foods. I have only been able to maintain dieting/healthy eating during stable and stress free periods of my life, as soon as there is any difficulty I want to eat eat eat again. I also began to self harm in my teens and will still do so in extremis - I think that overeating and ruining my health by doing so is a form of self harm and fits with that mindset. But ironically I harm myself most over my weight, eg I once carved 'fat cow' into my stomach with a pair of scissors.

Now I have 2 daughters I am terrified of passing on my thoughts about my body image and eating to them. I want them to see me maintaining a healthy lifestyle, eating well with treats in moderation, exercising for pleasure and being positive, dressing well and taking care of myself no matter my size. But it is so hard to implement. I know how to eat healthily and about nutrition and what is good for me as a woman with PCOS. I know it will be beneficial to my long term health to eat a low carb, low sugar diet and maintain that. I know that my negative thoughts about my body and my low self esteem come from my mother. But I can't make myself stop thinking these negative thoughts. I can't approach a healthy lifestyle in a positive way, as a good thing I am doing for myself and my family. I feel resentful of the PCOS, deprived and sulky. I spiral into self-abusive comments, call myself useless, a failure, a waste of space. I fantasize about cutting my tummy.

How do I address the gap between what my rational mind understands (these negative thoughts come from my upbringing, a healthy lifestyle will be beneficial) and what my emotional self feels (waaaaa I want the cake it's not fair, why can't I have the cake, I shouldn't have the cake, just eat the cake, now look you fat bitch you've eaten the cake, you can't do anything right)?

It is so exhausting thinking about food constantly. I want to eat, I shouldn't eat, what can I eat... I just want to break this cycle and think about food normally!

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thisismyYuleTimenickname · 31/12/2016 12:49

Not sure if you find it a comfort OP - I do - but at least there are many people struggling with similar backgrounds and food issues. You're not alone.

Thanks to MN I recently got the book "Eating less, say goodbye to overeating" by Gillian Riley. Been very good to read so far.

thisismyYuleTimenickname · 31/12/2016 12:58

That's why I want to frame this as a HEALTH issue rather than a looks issue. Losing weight is about being able to run after my girls, keep diabetes at bay, not have a heart attack at 56 like my grandad.

That's great. I find it much more motivating to focus on health as well.
Riley writes in her book that it's best to focus on that, not looks.
Good luck!!!

Barktheheralddogssing · 31/12/2016 13:04

Here are my measurements :

Upper arms 12 inches
Bust 41 inches
Under bust 35 inches
Waist 37.5 inches
Bum 43 inches
Thigh 24 inches

This is the biggest I've ever been. Two years ago my waist was 31 and my thighs 20. I was size 12. Now I'm size 16.

I agree about focusing on health. It's much more important. I'm worried about diabetes and heart attacks.

Thanks for the link to the book, I'll have a look.

Good luck all for a healthy year ahead.

Barktheheralddogssing · 31/12/2016 17:43

Yesterday I didn't walk much, just around the shops, but today I went for a long walk again.

Hope you all have a good New Year's Eve.

OldBooks · 31/12/2016 19:17

Bark seems like you are beginning to develop the walking habit!

My healthy goals for January are:

  • drink 3 pints of water a day
  • eat at least 5 fruit/veg a day
  • no sugary foods during the week (following the No S Diet principle)
  • exercise every day (even if only a 20 min walk)
  • look into emotional eating and improve my mental health

Here's to a healthy happy New Year!

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Barktheheralddogssing · 01/01/2017 04:20

I need to walk .. I can't really do any other exercise at the moment. .

My diet isn't great still, but I'm focusing on eating normal amounts at the moment. It was carb heavy again, but I made a lovely chicken casserole for dinner with lots of veg in it. I don't drink much, so only had a glass of prosecco tonight.

Your resolutions sound good.

OldBooks · 01/01/2017 04:26

Upthread you said that you often feel too down to cook so great that you made something healthy!

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Swirlysunshine · 01/01/2017 05:02

Good luck oldbooks I think I'm going to start with baby steps and not count calories etc. I'm going to try to make my one rule - no binges. Also try to acknowledge the fact I'm not the kind who can have one biscuit ... I'm half a pack or nothing kind of girl!

OldBooks · 01/01/2017 12:38

Happy New Year everyone and here's to a better mindset for all of us!

Anyone see this? www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38470263

Key points:

  • Be persistent - old habits might creep back in now and then but don't throw away all progress, just start again
  • Get moral support (that's what this thread is for!)
  • Plot progress e.g. in blog or journal, have list of goals and rewards for meeting them
  • Make goals realistic and achievable
  • Understand what triggers you and develop new positive triggers
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thisismyYuleTimenickname · 01/01/2017 15:52

I'm super motivated! Will be doing the "no s" diet this year - starting NOW!

lovelearning · 01/01/2017 16:00

I need to walk

Welcome to the Mumsnet Weight Loss Support Group

discussed forgiveness in therapy

OldBooks,

What else was discussed in therapy?

OldBooks · 01/01/2017 22:44

lovelearning I had counselling in uni so that was 16 years ago now, we mostly went over incidents from my life that had led to me having low self esteem. At that time I was cutting myself and the main goal was to stop that. A few years later I had some informal sessions with a friend of a friend. He first recognised my mother as narcissistic and recommended the book "healing for the daughters of narcissistic mothers". I discussed forgiveness/understanding with him based on how shitty my mum's youth was.

I always found talking therapy frustrating as you can go over the same incidents again and again but I found it didn't help to undo the ingrained messages iyswim. I did have a few cbt sessions when diagnosed with PND after DD1 which were helpful and enabled me to be more successful at calling my mum on her bullshit and gaining some mental space from her. But I think I could have done with more exploration of my eating/relationship with food.

Why do you ask?

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lovelearning · 02/01/2017 06:20

I think I could have done with more exploration of my eating/relationship with food.

OldBooks,

Your relationship with food seems the blight of your life.

Rid yourself of the ingrained messages.

Seek therapy.

I wish you and your family a Happy 2017.

OldBooks · 03/01/2017 07:14

How is everybody?

I am trying the No Sweets part of the No S diet - it would be easier if DD2 would sleep for more than 3 hours at a time! I think sugar was the only thing keeping me awake...

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OldBooks · 03/01/2017 07:15

@lovelearning can you suggest a type of therapy that works to change ingrained thought patterns?

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Copperas · 03/01/2017 08:24

I'm so glad I've found this thread. I've been coping with long term stress by over-eating for years - tell myself all kinds of things about why I do it, but I think now I just have to get on with losing weight for myself. OP, I'm so impressed by what you have been able to do despite the pressures on you.

In fact, we all beat ourselves round the head with how awful we are, but I bet that other people looking at what we DO rather than what we look like would be more impressed than not. For some reason I have developed some self-esteem about my work over the last couple of years, and it is an amazing warm comfort blanket in itself. Don't have it in personal life as yet, but I can see how empowering it would be.

Love and best wishes to all of us in this fix: we are amazing people with a blip in this area. I'm planning to start low carb, high fat on 6 January as the end of Christmas (could not possibly do it before then Smile)

OldBooks · 04/01/2017 06:36

sally thank you for the suggestion. I will look into some online cbt courses as I understand these can be just as effective.

Copperas welcome to the thread and thanks for your positive words Smile please feel free to share your experiences once you start making your lifestyle changes.

I really struggled yesterday with my no sweets resolution. I was so tired andI really missed that sweet boost first thing in the morning - I don't drink coffee so the sugar wakes me up. Then in the afternoon DD was suffering with teething, crying and cranky, and I felt stressed and just wanted to grab something small and easy to shove in my mouth - I don't even taste it half the time. I ended up eating crisps as those aren't sweets but I know they aren't exactly healthy so that's a bit of a cop out. I think I need to prep a tub of 'good snacks' that I can just grab from the fridge when needed.

I was researching bullet journal ideas (might be getting a bit obsessed Blush) and found an interesting blog where the writer tackled emotional eating by adopting 'mindful eating' techniques. sublimereflection.com/ideas-tracking-health-fitness-bullet-journal/

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OldBooks · 08/01/2017 08:36

Reflections after a week:

I have been thinking of myself as a failure this week as I haven't stuck to all my resolutions. But I think that is actually not fair to myself. So here is a summary which hopefully is a bit more objective than I feel!

  • resolved to drink 3 pints water, eat my 5 a day and do 30 mins min exercise a day
  • tracking these resolutions in a bullet journal
  • using data from journal to reflect on why I might not have met the daily targets which enables me to take steps to address particular issues
  • researched mindful eating and took steps to implement the key points of the practice especially around not eating till feeling incomfortably full and not snacking on auto pilot
  • went WAY out of my comfort zone to participate in Park Run - only managed a brisk walk but that's better than nothing
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Copperas · 08/01/2017 09:48

Sounds to me like a good start - well done on the Park Run. Was it OK?

The journal seems to be good at encouraging reflection.

I used a bullet journal to get through a horrendously busy month last year: it was really helpful. Maybe I should pick it up again to get me focused on eating what I need rather than what I crave (like the not wonderful truffles given to me on 6 January. They no longer exist as a problem Confused.

OldBooks · 10/01/2017 21:37

Copperas the ParkRun was nice actually. Longest I have been alone since having DD2 in July! And I felt that post exercise high too. Everyone was extremely encouraging even though I was one of the last to finish, and I have set a time which I aim to reduce each week.

I am still finding it very hard to engage other strategies when I feel tired and stressed. I was doing OK today until the late afternoon when DD's crying, the fact that due to her teething I had got virtually nothing done today and a few other stressors just sent me round the kitchen in a crazed binge - ate half a tub of Pringles, a mini ice cream, a Kit Kat and a few chocolate coins all in one go Blush Wasn't hungry, didn't need to eat, hardly tasted it, I just needed the comfort of feeling food in my mouth if that makes sense? I think this is the biggest issue for me to confront.

What is positive is that I am at least AWARE of this emotional eating - awareness I hope being a stepping stone towards controlling the behaviour. It is still early days and already I am telling myself that as usual I am a big fat failure again. But the trick here is picking myself up tomorrow and carrying on with my aims and not letting today get me down.

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OldBooks · 01/04/2017 15:04

I said I would come back to this thread and update. I have just taken my April measurements and I have not lost anything, in fact some areas are bigger Blush

I feel like such a failure

I have tried to implement a few of the suggestions on this thread but i think i fell back into usual patterns:
Frustration at lack of immediate progress
Trying to make too many changes at once
Using my busy life and stress to excuse overeating
Hiding head in sand

I have just been on holiday and there were mirrors everywhere in the place we stayed. I look huge. I spent the whole week staring at my belly and thighs in disbelief. Pregnancy has not been kind to my tummy. I disgust myself.

I really need to stop making excuses and get on with this. I can't continue this way. I will always be tired and stressed, there will never be a 'good time' to start. I just hate how weak I am Angry

Emotional eating and self sabotage
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SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 01/04/2017 18:54

Can I join you all please? Lots of bells ringing for me...narc mother, very slim, puts me under pressure to lose weight but will come to visit with a box of chocs she has had for Christmas, and doesn't want to eat, for teenage DD. But once they are around and opened, then they are a huge problem for me. Will try to 'force' a pudding/more calorific pudding on me when out for a meal. She was very competitive with me when I was a teenager. I am the fattest person in the family, and I think they are happier with me in that role on some level... Anyway, I am generally a bit better round food than I was, I just need to weigh considerably less, and I find it helps if I try to eat well, 5 a day, etc. I also eat when stressed, so I try to do something about the stressor before I eat. Have recently started yoga again, and have a mindfulness app on my phone, and these things help. Books if it helps, I always am more conscious of my weight on holiday. Less clothes on, and the preperation of holiday clothes, going in the pool, etc. And your measurements have changed, maybe be a bit kinder to yourself? I struggle with this. Hope everyone else is coping Flowers

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