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A space to talk openly about weight loss journeys and challenges. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

BigMoFos Week 21

73 replies

WigWamBam · 28/09/2006 08:44

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flutterbee · 28/09/2006 21:16

I'm following ww and I love it. I don't go to a meeting (none near enough and I really can't be bothered with it) so I have joined the online plan. Its brilliant you can track what you eat on line and tick off when you have had enough water and you 7 a day fruit and veg. The support I am getting from the message boards is great as well just like you lot really, so I am really lucky getting support from 2 seperate groups.

What we have to remember is that no single diet plan works for everyone, ww is helping me with my portion control (a huge problem I have) and the support networks I have formed are to date helping me with my bored/depressed binge mentality. The rest is down to my sheer will power and over time changing my life habits.

Well done everyone for this week, can't believe I am only 4lb away from 2st lost

MrsJohnCusack · 29/09/2006 05:59

hi MoFos

I'm a secret in-the-car-eater too so it's lucky I don't have one now!

goodness only knows how my weight is going here, I am eating whatever I like but then I am exercising more so who knows....may pluck up the courage to weigh myself soon so I can halt any undesirable gains.

can't keep up with all this. hate being in this timezone

JackieNo · 29/09/2006 07:01

Hi MrsJC - maybe it's a good thing that you're not able to weigh - as long as you're eating the right sort of stuff and getting some exercise, it may be good not to keep too close a track on things for you, as a pregnant person. So what's the time difference between you and us?

Dottydot · 29/09/2006 08:54

Well I've come crashing down a bit - 2lbs on this week... Am trying not to panic because I don't think I've done anything particularly dreadful, eating-wise this week but I did have a couple of bad weeks a few weeks ago - but I kept losing weight, so I think this is catch up time!

So, will keep going with eating sensibly and my average weight loss is still 2lbs a week since I started - keeping positive!

lemonaid · 29/09/2006 17:19

The WW No Count programme (which is the one I'm doing online) specifically tells you that you can eat as much fruit as you like (although not fruit juice). I think the No Count-ers are much more likely to be less obsessive than those following the points programme. Actually I mostly ignore the eating plan and just use it for weight tracking.

WigWamBam · 29/09/2006 17:25

You're still doing really well, dotty - the odd blip is only to be expected really when you're losing weight long-term.

How many plans do WW do these days, just out of interest? There seems to be loads of them.

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lemonaid · 29/09/2006 17:53

Just the two at the moment, although I think they like to change their counting-things plan every couple of years to make people think they have to sign up again rather than just dig out their old handbook.

Dottydot · 29/09/2006 18:49

Thanks WWB - this week's another week and all that...

WW do 2 plans - there's a no count one where you can eat food on a list given without counting it in any way - all fruit, veg, pasta, rice etc. Then there's the full choice, where everything's OK to eat but has a points value which you have to count. there's no way I could do the full choice - can't be bothered with the counting, but luckily I like most of the stuff on the no count one.

Really hope I get back on track this week...

JackieNo · 01/10/2006 20:19

Looks like it's been a quiet weekend on the BigMoFos front. Have to say that Friday was a bit of a disaster, food-wise. We had one of those Macmillan Coffee Mornings at work, and I had to buy some cake. And eat it. And buy some more to take home. And eat it. And take some to DD's ballet lesson. And (you can see a trend here, can't you) eat it. Rest of weekend hopefully better than that.

suejoneziscalmernow · 01/10/2006 20:56

Well I'm in the IOW eating for england so am pretending not to be a BigMoFo this weekend

JackieNoHeadJustABloodyStump · 01/10/2006 20:57

Nice place to be, sue. Hope you're having a good time. Do you like my Halloween name?

justamindlesszombiemum · 01/10/2006 23:07

hi, love the halloween name jackie. Dh and I got together at a halloween party 7 years ago, does the 7yr itch only count for marriages or relationships as a whole? I have just come back from mums where I have been since Tuesday, I haven't started taking the pills because no one could decide whether the ones I'd been prescribed were compatible with bf (i forgot to ask at my appt) I feel a bit better than I did anyway.
I used to get on best with ww, i could never get my head round what i was and wasn't allowed to eat on SW. I just kind of resent the whole idea of weight loss as a money spinning industry, all these faddy diets aren't really intended to solve the problems, anyone in the health community will tell you "diets" don't work. I think the way ww promotes healthy eating is the most sustainable method, the basic premise that nothing is forbidden but if you must eat a chinese takeaway you have to reduce your intake elsewhere is funadamentally sound. Just wish I could do it. Hope you had a nice time in IOW Sue.

JackieNoHeadJustABloodyStump · 02/10/2006 06:57

justamindlesszombiemum - good name. Glad you're feeling a bit better, even without the pills. Hope you can find someone to work out whether you can take them while bf (could you just ask a pharmacist, or will you need a full-blown doctor's appointment? I know that the bf clinic I went to had people who were very knowledgeable too). I agree - WW definitely looks like the more 'true to life' option - but having said that, many people do find that SW works for them, evn though I'm not convinced it's a lon-term solution.

Littlefish · 02/10/2006 12:58

Justamum, Have a look at the link to the thread below. Frogs has put in a link to a website which gives you info about lots of different drugs and their effects on breastfeeding.

Look here Justamum

Littlefish · 02/10/2006 13:06

I had a really interesting conversation with my counsellor about self-esteem, or lack of it.

I have been trying to explore why I constantly feel the need to over-achieve, am never satisfied with anything I do, think I am not good enough etc. etc. etc.

I think that it comes from never having been praised as a child, or told when something was good enough. I simply carried on trying to make something better, or be better at something until I gave up and then felt like a failure.

It's that "normal" thing again. What do "normal" people do when they have friends coming round? I feel the need to bake at least 2 different types of cakes/biscuits in case they don't like one sort. I find myself thinking "they'll like coming here because I make good cakes". I find it hard to convince myself that they'll come just because they like my company.

As with many children in the case of separating parents, or in my case, absent parent though illness, I blamed myself. I was sure that if I had behaved better, tidied my room, helped more etc. then mum would not have gone away. I think I am still completely over compensating for this, and try to please other people all the time.

Does anyone else recognise these patterns of behaviour?

WWB - I'd be really interested in hearing from you, because I know your relationship with your mother was difficult too. (Not that I wouldn't love to hear from everyone else too ). See, there I go again, not wanting to upset anyong!

JackieNoHeadJustABloodyStump · 02/10/2006 16:31

Just bumping this for soweary - and posting the 'BigMoFos creed' in case she fancies chatting here.

BigMoFos Creed

The BigMoFos are about attitude as much as anything: some of us were cheesed off with 7 stone people posting about being bloaters, and whingeing because they needed to lose 4lb and how hard it was. We just wanted a place where people understood how large people feel, and where we could feel supported in a way that those 7 stone people couldn't manage to support us.

We do a weigh-in on a Wednesday, but not all of us weigh in. Some just follow the thread for support, whichever you would feel more comfortable doing. It's all pretty free and easy but it seems to work. Email is [email protected] if you want to join the weigh-in, otherwise just hop along for the ride.

Our rules:

No beating yourself up (we will do that for you if necessary)
Each week is a new week and you leave last week?s problems behind
No pedantic grammar corrections (unless what you typed really doesn?t make sense) we are quite smart and will work out what you mean.

Dottydot · 02/10/2006 17:54

I'm finding the 'naturally slim' thread fascinating - I think it's the thing about just not thinking about food all the time that's the difference between me and naturally slim people! And drinking tons of tea seems to come into it as well! I wish I had a more ordinary relationship with food... Like now, dp's gone to work, the tea's on and ds's watching telly, and all I can think about is eating - even though tea will be ready in 10 minutes and is a very health tuna lasagne... Then when I've put ds's to bed I get obsessed about eating again.

I think until I change how, what and when I think about eating, losing weight - and maintaining it will always be a struggle. Wish I knew how to do that...

JackieNoHeadJustABloodyStump · 02/10/2006 17:55

Will have to investigate that thread - hadn't looked, as assumed it wouldn't be relevant, but sounds very interesting.

WigWamBam · 02/10/2006 18:10

I haven't looked at the naturally slim thread, I also thought it wouldn't be relevant. I might have a look, but that kind of mindset is really alien to me.

My mother, Littlefish? This could be a long, indulgent and not very happy post!

I'm still trying to please my mother now, because nothing I did pleased her when I was a child. Or if it did, she didn't tell me. She didn't celebrate my achievements; as far as I could tell she barely even noticed them. She expected perfection, and no matter how academic I was and how hard I tried, I couldn't be perfect.

So yes, I think I also over-compensate - I crave the approval that I have never, ever had from her. I can't argue or discuss things rationally with people face to face because I was never allowed to, so never learned to - and also because I'm frightened of saying something that will upset them like I used to be able to upset my mother with just a word - and never a bad word either because I would have been too scared.

I was an extraordinarily well behaved child, because she was very volatile and I was too terrified of her to be anything else - but still she made her dislike of me quite clear. I was painfully shy (still am) and she didn't understand that, so she mocked it. The shyness wasn't helped by my mother, who didn't do anything to help me believe in myself - quite the opposite. She told me I was a nasty girl, she treated me as if I was a nasty girl, and although I knew I wasn't I could never make her see that I wasn't. I tried so hard to make her see, and I'm still trying.

I'm also still frightened of her and of what her reaction will be if I ever disagree or go against her, although I find it easier to handle her now than I did. I ought to; I'm 43 years old, for heaven's sake!

I was in my 30s before my mother told me she loved me. It was my wedding day, the day before my 33rd birthday, and she told me she was proud of me too. 32 years it took - and it stuck in my craw to accept the words from her, even though I'd waited so long for them.

My self-esteem is on the floor, and that's the legacy of my mother. And it's partly the reason why I overeat. I find comfort in food because that was the only thing I could find in my mother that gave comfort - she fed us. She was always negative about me and it's taken/is taking a long while to correct that image that I have of myself.

She was physically abusive, and as I've said before there was abuse of another kind from my grandfather, but the words were the worse, and it's the words (and partly the physical abuse, but that's not as important) that have left their mark on my self-esteem.

I can't blame my mother for everything; some of it is a flaw in my own personality that let me soak up what she said and take the abuse without ever retaliating. It's me who controls what I put in my mouth, not her ... but all too often the "me" that does the controlling is the 6 year old girl who is desperate for love and comfort from the mother I am still desperate to please.

Told you it would be long and not very happy ...

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Littlefish · 02/10/2006 18:26

Oh WWB - not indulgent at all, but certainly very sad.

In no way is it a flaw in your personality that "let me soak up what she said and take the abuse without ever retaliating".

You were a child and she was the adult. She was controlling the situation and you were behaving as almost all children would, by trying to please her. You had no control over what was happening.

As an adult, you still have the feelings you had as a child and you are absolutely right that it is the child in you who is still desperate for the love and comfort.

I feel so sad for that child and hope that you find a way to come to terms with what happened. Not to forget, but to live with the awareness of what happened, how it continues to affect you, but not be consumed by it. I wish the same for myself too

Much love to you - and thank you for sharing your feelings.

WigWamBam · 02/10/2006 18:56

I just think that there has to be a flaw in there somewhere, to allow what she said and did to affect the whole of my life. And to let her take all of the blame seems wrong really; I am an adult who should be able to take responsiblity for my own actions.

And do you know, there's one thing that I really have to thank her for. Whatever she did to me, and however it affected my life, I know how not to raise a child! I'm a bloody good mum, and in the weirdest of ways I can thank my mother for that ... I know how badly children can be affected by the way their parents treat them and my daughter is never, ever going to be able to say the same things about me as I say about my mother.

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suejoneziscalmernow · 02/10/2006 19:13

I don't think expecting your mother to show you love as a child and trying really hard to get that is a flaw!

Also, whilst you are quite right about being an adult now and taking responsibility for your own actions, you can't now take any responsibility for how you haved when you were a child. There are many things I wish I had done differently when I was growing up, some of which would have changed my life dramatically and sometimes I find it hard to "forgive" myself for not doing things differently. However I know that I make the only decisions that I felt capable of at a young age and I can;t look back with the experince gained from 40 odd years of life and apply that to my younger self. I just wasn't the same person then. And the truth of the matter is that I have a happy life now, however I got here, I am happy with where I have ended up - of course there are niggles - more money and a handsome gardener would be nice...

In my (humble) opinion, it was entirely your mothers responsibility to make sure you were a happy and secure child in what ever way was appropriate for your personality. Isn't that how you feel about your DD? That you would do whatever it takes to make her happy and healthy and secure.

You are right not to "blame" your mother as I suspect her inability to parent you adequately was a product of her own upbringing/personality and there is little to be gained at this stage by apportioning blame.

The reponsibility you can take (and do take) is to do your best at dealing with the issues your upbringing has left you with and raising your daughter in the way you wished you were.

WigWamBam · 02/10/2006 20:17

Flaw was perhaps the wrong word. I guess what I really meant was that there was probably something about my personality that, in combination with the way my mother was, meant that it affected my eating and my outlook on life as an adult rather than allowing me just to stick two fingers up and get on with things.

And of course you're right; we're all different people now, and hindsight is a wonderful thing. Plus, even though we know now that we could have done something differently, as children we didn't have the same knowledge. The fact that you find it hard to forgive yourself is interesting, I think often I have tended to blame myself and think that maybe if I'd done this or that differently things wouldn't have been so bad, but I know that's not true. I've never really thought that perhaps I need to try and forgive myself for the things that I wasn't able to do then, that seem so clear with hindsight.

I would do anything for my daughter, absolutely anything to keep her happy, healthy and safe. She is my priority, and I would fight tigers barehanded to keep her safe. I don't understand my mother at all - I used to think that I understood some of the things she did, but having dd has made me realise that I really can't comprehend why anyone would treat a child that way.

I can't see myself ever, in a million yesrs, using the words or the actions that my mother did with me. I want my little girl to grow up knowing that I love, respect and value her and that I will always be proud of her achievements, no matter how small they seem and no matter whether she's top of the class or stunningly average.

Apportioning blame isn't healthy, it would eat me up too much. Her upbringing wasn't brilliant; my grandfather was a violent and aggressive man who would pick a fight with the stones in the street once he'd had a drink - and he drank every day. His sons managed to break the cycle with their own families, but my mother didn't - I think I've been able to, although I'm a damaged person because of it. So is my sister, but she has allowed herself to become taken over with hate for my mother and it eats her up. She is an alcoholic with mental problems, and there but by the grace of whatever deity floats your boat go I.

Sorry, this has been a bleak and depressing few posts. Can we concentrate on that handsome gardener for a bit

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suejoneziscalmernow · 02/10/2006 23:15

handsome plumber in the IOW - ugly gardeners. Very funny - my mum made handsome plumber a cup of tea but the two rough gardeners were dry lipped! I'm sure they had lovely personalities though

suejoneziscalmernow · 02/10/2006 23:17

and without wanting to rehash the subject... accepting that you don't understand your mother one little bit, shaking your head in disbelief and moving on is probably the healthiest thing you can do.