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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

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Jacaqueen · 25/01/2013 14:46

I had the cream cheese pancakes for breakfast. Wasn't that impressed by them as I thought they were going to be thick American style ones. Anyway I had them just after 9am which is early for me, and I am still full. The only other thing I have had apart from water, is a latte made with almond milk. Even managed to make the tablet without trying any. Just wasn't interested and I won't have any later either.

Decided not to bother with the shortbread. I wasted too much time watching Andy beat that Swiss twerp and I thought, really who needs tablet and shortbread in the one day. Come to think of it who really needs tablet?

Prettybird do you use sugar as well as or instead of honey?

We will be getting a row for talking about contraband food on this thread.

prettybird · 25/01/2013 14:59

I'm doing it with a small amount of soft brown sugar (and caramelising it with the rolled oats) rather than honey :)

Ilovemyteddy · 25/01/2013 15:01

Mumat39 I don't think it's vain for wanting to do this for YOU at all. I've been fortunate to watch my DCs grow up, despite being obese since I was a child, and I have never found that my weight has been an issue - with the kids, with work, friends family etc. However, having had a huge mid-life crisis in my late forties (am now 54) I decided last year that I needed to feel better about myself, FOR my own self-esteem, and that, coupled with the Briffa article I read in January last year, set me on this WOE.

I am a happier, healthier woman for having done this. Hopefully this WOE has contributed to stopping and reversing all the harm I did to myself when I was carrying so much extra weight (and the medical check ups I have had since starting this WOE would seem to suggest that it has, in terms of now having normal blood pressure, cholesterol at an acceptable level etc.)

Doing it for you, rather because you feel that you HAVE to, should make it easier to sustain. Keep at it. It does work - as I keep saying.

WillieWaggledagger · 25/01/2013 15:05

chaps, two summers ago i had a bmi over 40

this summer it will be about 20

you can all do it too

NoveltySlippers · 25/01/2013 15:18

Thanks for everyone's stories.

And wow Willie - you've halved your BMI? That's impressive! Shock

mumat39 · 25/01/2013 16:13

Thanks Ilovemyteddy. It's so good to hear that as well as healthier that you are happier too. I know when I've tried other systems I've felt completely miserable on them. So far so good on this plan.

Wow Willie! That is impressive!

I always lose weight quite slowly so it's good to hear these sorts of facts as the longer term picture is the one I think I need to focus on, so thank you for sharing.

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 25/01/2013 16:29

mumat I'm not sure what my BMI is now but two years ago I lost three and a half stone low-carbing (doing a less intensive version than this though so this will probably be better - weight was slower to come off) It took about seven months.

Also it did stay off - I just never quite got to goal and then went to America and put on half a stone in three weeks (!) because I wasn't lowcarbing at all, and due to various stresses since have never quite had the time to shift if off again since. But, as I was still eating fairly low-carb/maintenance eating, did not put any more on.

Ilisten2theradio · 25/01/2013 16:38

Ok I need to know if wine is OK, is Port bad? There is a bottle of port in the cupboard that we didn't open over Chrismas, and DH keeps on wanting to open it. So far I have resisted......

Ilovemyteddy · 25/01/2013 16:40

Mumat39 - I think I'm happier because I feel more in control of what I am eating, eating much more enjoyable food, and because I don't get the cravings I used to get. Food doesn't control me any more, I control it. Plus it's nice to get compliments from people who haven't seen me for a while, and to shop for new clothes in 'normal' shops! Although I really need to STOP buying clothes!

Choos - I think it was quite an achievement only to put on half a stone in America! We have family there and I'm dreading our next visit (apart from the shopping, of course Grin )

mumat39 · 25/01/2013 16:40

It really is quite a speedy way to lose weight isn't it? On diet chef I lost 1 stone in about 5 months. I put it all back on within a few weeks of eating normal foods again. It cost a fortune too.

Choos, you've done really well to only put on a half as you're still 3stone down on what you were! My usual is to lose a little and put on more, the typical hobo. The most worrying thing for me is that since diet chef it's come back around my middle. I guess that's the trouble with low calorie diets. Your body goes ino starvation mode so as soon as you start to eat a few more calories it stores those as fat for the next time food is scarce. Maybe it does this around vital organs, which is why my middle grew.

EwanHoozami · 25/01/2013 16:44

MsRinsky I have a puked port question - how do you make it taste authentic without the sugar / honey / glaze that it usually gets made with?

EwanHoozami · 25/01/2013 16:44

^ pulled pork^ Shock

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Woolfey · 25/01/2013 16:46

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RatherBeOnThePiste · 25/01/2013 16:52

Not at all Woolfey, just start with Boot Camp - I'm doing two more weeks of that at least

prettybird · 25/01/2013 16:56

If you click on the link in the OP to the "spreadsheet of fabulousness", then you can see (via one of the tabs) the Rule for the first two weeks of Boot Camp. BIWI (and her big stick) is very strict about you following these.

Thereafter you can choose to go on to Boot Camp Lite if you want to (or combine full Boot Camp during the week and Boot Camp Lite at weekends).

You will see results! :)

Ilovemyteddy · 25/01/2013 16:57

Welcome Woolfey. Have a look for the first or second bootcamp threads which were started at the beginning of the year. All the rules are on there. And you don't have to exercise. That's why this way of eating appealed to me! Although I do go swimming now.

pyjamalover · 25/01/2013 17:10

Can't remember whose story was whose but those with such big losses who kept it off - wow. My BMI about 28 (but weight is all podge, no muscle!) so aiming for 25 at the moment and will take it from there.

Struggling a bit with ketosis symptoms, utterly insatiable thirst being the worst.

Have made the pudding for an extended family dinner tonight, really don't want to eat any but also don't want to draw attention to myself by not having any, I don't like telling people I'm on a diet.

working all weekend so will check back on monday.

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bulletwithbutterflywings · 25/01/2013 17:18

pyjama lover We had a similar situation in the first week of bootcamp, we decided to serve dessert with coffee in the living room instead of up the table so it was less obvious that DP and I weren't eating it, we just sort of bustled around sorting everyone else out and tidying the kitchen a bit. I don't think PILs noticed, they were too busy scoffing baklava bastards

Ilovemyteddy · 25/01/2013 17:20

Pyjamalover why don't you tell your guests that you are full after the main course, so you aren't going to have any pudding?

We're going for a curry tonight for the first time in ages. Woot! Lamb shashlick and mushroom bhaji for me, and possible spinach bhaji too, although I had scrambled eggs with goat's cheese for lunch and am still stuffed Grin

Happy Burns Night to our Scottish contingent. [bsmile]

BIWI · 25/01/2013 17:31

Welcome, Wolfey!

pyjamalover - if you are insatiably thirsty this is a sign that your electrolytes are 'out' - eat more salt and make sure you're eating things like spinach, avocado and salmon to get enough potassium and magnesium

ilisten2theradio - there are 6g carbs in a glass of port! Don't do it ...

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BIWI · 25/01/2013 17:39

For all those of you who are planning to fall off the wagon this weekend - you may like to read this:

and it may make you think twice!

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Ilovemyteddy · 25/01/2013 17:49

Wow. That makes interesting reading. I had a couple of colds one after the other just after I came back from a pretty carby holiday. Now I understand why. I work with the public, so I'm in close contact with every virus that's going around. This is the first winter in ages that I haven't had a cold. Now I understand why that's happened too Smile. This WOE just keeps on giving.

starshaker · 25/01/2013 17:51

ok how bad have i been. Ive only been doing it from yesterday

today i have had 1 yogurt (activia as it was all i had) and a handful of grapes. I feel like curling up and dying in a corner (drama queen? me?)
My face resembles desperate dan. I have salmon in the fridge but dont think i could face it