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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

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Doshusallie · 24/01/2013 15:40

damn Willie, you got in there before I could suggest some non-food ways to make DP feel comforted and loved [immature snigger]

Lunch was leftovers from last night's meal of chicken wrapped in bacon with cream cheese, and creamy leeks and courgettes.

I too have been inspired by the burger in large mushroom "bun" and we are having that tonight! [copycat]

Have had a pkt of Mr Porkies as a snack though as was in Sainbos and was absolutely starving, didn't eat lunch till 3pm.

Kiriwawa · 24/01/2013 16:03

Why did I only find out about the vanilla powder after my mega-shop at Waitrose yesterday? Angry

I bought a bottle of sugar-free fairtrade essence which looked like it might taste nice :o

I did see that chocolate extract stuff and wondered if it were permissible

BIWI · 24/01/2013 16:05

halfthesize - neither of those links work for me

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Lavenderhoney · 24/01/2013 16:08

Biwi, I am struggling with never being hungry- sounds silly but I just don't want to eat. Should I make myself? I am carrying on with the bootcamp hardcore til the end of the month. Today I had

  • no breakfast as not hungry and vv worried about dd and had to rush to docs.
  • l-roast pork with roasted courgettes, red cabbage cooked in butter and cream.
  • dinner, no so far as not hungry

Sliver of Brie for snack and a couple of olives. Loads of water which I find easy now thank goodness.

MrsHerculePoirot · 24/01/2013 16:11

BIWI there is always space on my drive!!! Although a little walk... the massive on in Wimbledon is also great. They have some different things there and DD spends about 20 minutes waving at the train drivers if we ever go there!!!

MrsHerculePoirot · 24/01/2013 16:14

Willie how about buying him some nice warm slipper, or comfy warm counging clothes. DH only wears shorts and tshirt in bed, however cold it is, but I bought him thermal trousers and long sleeved top pyjamas from M&S for his birthday and he loves them for loafing around in. Or a book, or DVD?

Kiriwawa · 24/01/2013 16:15

Link to all the different StarKayWhite extracts at Lakeland (BOGOF!). I'm wondering about the orange one

Jacaqueen · 24/01/2013 16:21

Well I am back from Waitrose.

No vanilla powder but I bought 3 types of mayonnaise.

Delouis fresh 0g carbs
Delouis garlic 0.5g carbs
Maille mustard 1.2g carbs

That should keep me going for a while.
My fridge, freezer and larder are well and truly stocked with all sorts of low carb goodies.

I am off to a Burns Supper tonight. Will avoid the tatties have a small portion of haggis and fill up on neeps. Tomorrow I have to make tablet, shortbread and Athol Brose for the family. Please can you all send me good low carb vibes. One taste of any of that could set me back months.

BIWI · 24/01/2013 16:22

might have to get some tips from you if we're all still around here if/when i have children

i'm trying to make him feel comforted and loved in other non-food ways

So shall we look forward to an announcement about an October arrival, Willie? Wink

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halfthesize · 24/01/2013 16:41

BIWI just checked again and links working for me, can someone else double check please.

HavingAnOffDAy · 24/01/2013 16:48

Nothing found on that link for me

halfthesize · 24/01/2013 16:51

hopefully they work now, very strange it wouldn't beforeHmm

BIWI · 24/01/2013 16:51

First one is working now. Second one gives me the error message 'page not found'

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BIWI · 24/01/2013 16:52

Lavender - if you're not hungry, why are you snacking?! Confused

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halfthesize · 24/01/2013 16:54

very strange Confused it has been one of those days today, may have to have a glass of red later, once DC are in bed.

fingers crossed

WillieWaggledagger · 24/01/2013 17:23

Lol no biwi - I had an iud fitted this week!

Thermal lounging stuff sounds a really good idea, thanks for that mrshp

BlackAffronted · 24/01/2013 17:24

Just waiting on dinner ... roast chicken & braised sprouts (tatties for the non-carbers). Probably an early night too, as this spotting is really getting me down. Im bloated & a wee bit niggly sore, and teh spotting goes from bright red to black all in one day. 10 days now, hoping the end is in sight! Im sure its affecting my weightloss. Its definitely affecting my mood!

thatgirlsevil · 24/01/2013 17:42

I've seem to be putting weight on (almost 3 pounds as of today) and I can't work out why.

Yesterdays meals,

B - Bacon, egg and mushrooms
D - Small chicken salad, lots of greens
T - Shepherds Pie with cauliflower mash topping mixed with cream cheese, courgettes, leeks and cheesy topping. The only ingredients in the mince were oil, a bovril stock cube, dried oregano and a tablespoon of Worcestershire sauce.
2+ litres of water and Twinings lemon and ginger tea and green tea.

So far today,

B - FF Greek Yoghurt with 6 large blueberries chopped up.
D - LARGE chicken salad with sesame oil dressing, mayonnaise, egg and cheese.
T - I think I'll probably just have a small snack as I ate my lunch fairly late and I'm still stuffed.

I can't fathom it but I'm definitely NOT losing and I'm wondering if I've knocked myself out of ketosis perhaps. I am midway through my period but 3lbs seems a fair old bit and I actually feel much fatter than I did last week.

Shit, I'm rubbish at this...I've obviously cocked up somewhere along the line.

BIWI · 24/01/2013 17:51

thatgirlsevil - you haven't cocked up that I can see! A few points to make:

  • see my post about weeks 3 and 4 at 08.23 this morning; it's possible this is what is happening to you, as you lost a lot of weight in weeks 1 & 2
  • your period will be affecting things - drink more water to help here; if you're feeling fatter, that probably means bloated
  • are you eating enough fat? All your meat is lean meat
  • could be the amount of dairy that you're eating - try cutting that out for a couple of days

But above all, don't panic! You have lost almost a stone in 2 weeks - clearly everything is heading in the right direction! And stop weighing daily if you get distressed by a small gain ... Grin

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Yama · 24/01/2013 17:53

Too full, too full, too full.

I've just had bolognaise which was swimming in fat and fried courgettes (with a few strands of carrot). Fried in butter with lashings of cream thrown in.

Delicious.

TheAccidentalExhibitionist · 24/01/2013 17:59

FFS I am absolutely sabotaging myself.

I've lost a little and generally my eating is a lot healthier but I'm eating chocolate and crap between meals.

I'm not Uk based and I'm finding it hard to get low carb stuff, apart from fish, meat and veg and eggs.

I don't even know why I'm doing it, I rarely ate chocolate before I started the ruddy diet!

thatgirlsevil · 24/01/2013 18:12

Thanks for the wise words BIWI...and I just read your post from this morning and that is very reassuring to me.

I have got into the habit of weighing daily and whilst small gains are a bit of a downer I realise it's not possible to lose every single day. However when I weighed myself this morning I was over 130 lbs...and I was floating around 127 lbs on Monday (which was incidentally the first day of my period.)

I was just concerned and a little miffed as I've been feeling hormonal obviously and I've somehow managed to resist all manner of sweet treats throughout the week despite feeling like my body is crying out for a Galaxy and a packet of Prawn Cocktail crisps .

I think I could probably up my fatty meat intake...but the beef mince I used yesterday had rather a lot of fat going through it and produced a good amount of excess oil which I left in the dish. I'm also eating streaky bacon and deli ham which tends to have fat on it. I could perhaps try and incorporate some pork belly and pork fat this weekend...whatever happens I'll carry on and hopefully things will start to look up at some point.

Thanks again for the advice.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 · 24/01/2013 18:16

That's a relief Biwi, I'm just about to have my fifth big bowl of my mince creation with a little bacon added. I've made so much I'll be eating this till Sunday at least.

NoelHeadbands · 24/01/2013 18:30

Evening everyone, hope all are having a good day

B- yoghurt.
L - tuna mayo in buttered lettuce
T - chicken breasts with braised celery, buttered sprouts and cabbage