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low carb diets -seems like everyone's on one, but I thought dieticians etc generally don't recommend them?

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GhostOfAWasp · 21/05/2012 10:27

I am not a dietician, but I know a few and they seem to think that all the anti wheat arguments are pseudo science and carbs aren't that bad! Granted, they work, but surely cutting any food group from you diet would have the same effect? I never found it felt very healthy or sustainable long term.

Have I missed something?

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MoChan · 22/05/2012 10:22

This is the Schwarzbein book I referred to

Thumbwitch · 22/05/2012 10:25

www.carbs-information.com/carb-in-legumes/green-lentils.htm not really, BIWI.

realhousewifeofdevoncounty · 22/05/2012 10:30

Ghost, i agree with you. In countries, and this country during rationing for example, where the diet is largely carb based but food is scarce you won't find fat people. Eating massive amounts of refined carbs like we do though, will make you fat. I have recently lost a few pounds after I hit a plateau on a strict 1200 kcal/day diet. I upped my calories and "cleaned up" my carb intake by sticking to whole grains and a good balance of fats and protein thrown in rather than reducing fat to save calories as I did before. I'm sorry, but no-one can argue that a well balanced vegetarian diet with lots of wholefoods gives you heart disease/diabetes! As a vegetarian (which I am) you would be better off looking into low gi/gl diet with a very small calorie deficit, preferably gained by exercise. The only way you will lose weight is with a calorie deficit, and keeping it small and exercising will stop your metabolism slowing down.

Dieticians do tend to advocate low gi (which has a similar effect to low carbing on insulin levels and blood sugar, without all the saturated fat and ketosis, which is really unnecessary and not good for your kidneys) and every doctor I have ever met (including cardiologists) has advocated the meditarranean diet which emphasises healthy oils, fresh fruit and veg and wholgrains and lean meat and fish. Incidentally, none of these doctors have been obese or unhealthy and suffering from heart disease/diabetes etc!

Medical/dietetic training is based on modern evidence too you know! They just tend to ignore all the faddy stuff.

realhousewifeofdevoncounty · 22/05/2012 10:32

Basically I agree with wilding (just seen her post) Grin

realhousewifeofdevoncounty · 22/05/2012 10:39

Ghost - if you pm me your email, I can send you an e book that talks quite a lot of common sense on this sort of thing and has helped me drop a few pounds recently...

BettyBathroom · 22/05/2012 10:40

I think there a lot of confusion on this thread - there are stages of losing weight on a low carb diet and these stages determine the % of carbs in your diet. So you can't refer to low carb and think they are all the same, even within one diet format - for eg Atkins there are different stages and Atkins will have different rules to the South Beach Diet. There's nothing stopping you from making up your own either - once you've read around the theory it's not rocket science.
So most low carb diets follow this format
Induction/phase 1 is very low carb around 20g - normally recommended for 2 weeks - you don't have to do it - it's just a kick start to your weight loss, ketosois is common in this phase.
Phase 2 - Ketosis is not necessary, it's low carb around 20g - 50g but more carby veg is introduced, dairy, nuts in varying proportions - weight loss is slower but you are eating a wider variety of foods
Phase 3/maintenance - this is lower in carbs than average somewhere between 60g - 120g,(I think the Gov recommend over 200g) - you enter this stage when you have hit your target or a little before hand and you increase your carbs till weight loss stops and you weight loss stabilises. Many people introduce starchy foods including pulses and wholemeal products - the quantity of these products comes down to the individual. It's not about pulses being bad - it's looking at how you can eat before you start gaining.

I think most low carbers would agree that refined starch & sugar are best avoided.

As for veggie low carbers - Rose Elliot is dull, she put me off low carbing initially, then I got hold of Low carb Vegetarian by Celia Brooks Brown it's fantastic! I have also started going through my admittedly massive cookbook collection making a note of all the low carb dishes so I can menu plan quickly and I'm quite impressed with the variety and quality of recipes I have already - it does take a bit of effort doing this but it's worth it.

BettyBathroom · 22/05/2012 10:47

And don't get the Schwarzbein Veggie book - it's written by a chef, for a doctor, the food is mind numbingly dull and assumes you are a bloody idiot and you can't cook....maybe you can't and maybe you eat a very dull conservative diet and then you might find this book interesting - clearly I don't! And don't buy Carb Conscious Vegetarian by Robin Robertson - ick! it's written by a health fascist, I have no time for health evangelists - get a book written by a proper chef or a foodie - someone who loves the way food tastes rather than focusing on the health aspects on your body - you'll never stick to this way of eating if you feel deprived of flavour!

MoChan · 22/05/2012 10:57

I have not looked at the Veggie book. The original book I recommended on the basis that it explains well why a high carb diet doesn't work.

BettyBathroom · 22/05/2012 11:08

And the veggie one explains that as well - but imo doctors do not write the best cookbooks and their involvement leads to a dumbing down of flavours - maybe to make it more mainstream.
The other problem with the book is that it's quite carby in parts - risotto, mashed potato, apricot chutney? They get around this by suggesting a serving size is a teaspoon, so carbs per minute portion seem quite low.

QueenStromba · 22/05/2012 11:09

Chandon - I would have agreed with you about lentils six months ago and did plan to reintroduce pulses into my diet once I was at target weight but then I learned about lectins which changed my mind on the matter.

BIWItheBold · 22/05/2012 11:15

Actually you can go into countries/parts of our country and find poor people who are fat ...

This was one of the reasons that the science behind carbs was explored a bit further. Will find the reference to it (not at home at the moment) and will report back.

Thumbwitch - those carb counts are interesting - and compare much more favourably with the ones that are on the Carblife website, which has:

Lentils, boiled 16.9

Lentils, red 17.5

singersgirl · 22/05/2012 12:25

But surely the explanation behind the 'obesity epidemic' is far more complex than 'doctors started recommending low fat and high carb', as someone suggests early on. There are numerous other interlocking changes in how, when and what people eat in developed economies, where the problems of obesity are rife. For a start:

  • snacking and the whole snackfood industry
  • fizzy and flavoured drinks and fruit juices as the norm
  • fast food and ready meals (often high in fat and carbs)
  • increases in additives and flavour enhancers making cheap food taste good
  • increasingly sedentary lives, due to motorised transport, white goods, electronics and all the other things we know about.

A high carb diet may be new in evolutionary terms, but it's common in less developed countries and in our recent past - both times/places with far less obesity. In early 20th c Britain people ate high carb and high fat - bread and dripping, potatoes, cakes for high tea - and they used more energy.

It seems clear that high levels of refined carbs aren't good for people, and I'm not an expert on the science, though I know that there are many seemingly reasoned rebuttals of the 'wheat bad, animal fat good' science too.

There are plenty of slim people who don't cut out any major food groups and eat what generations of people would consider a 'normal diet' - bread (staff of life, you know), vegetables, pulses, fruit in season, meat, fish, some sweet stuff.

You know, the basic mantra 'eat less and move more' (or rather, eat only as much as you need to for your energy requirements) is true.

realhousewifeofdevoncounty · 22/05/2012 12:35

Poor people are fat because crap food us cheap and there is lots of it about. In rationing times, when there was less food, people weren't fat. And I bet when they did have food, they ate carbs.

QueenStromba · 22/05/2012 13:45

The carb count in the link is for 1 ounce so the grams of carbs per 100g are about the same.

vnmum · 22/05/2012 14:23

queen Those Lectins are the anti nutrients I was talking about in my post on grains.Smile They are in most grains and legumes iirc. I have found information on Paleo diet very interesting and that is where I found the info about how bad grains are for us.

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bacon · 22/05/2012 17:39

The food industry has caused a lot of this - look at bread, it used to be a meal in itself it used to contain nutrients, fibre and low amounts of yeast, it was wholesome. Now we have refined flours and bread that has been stripped and bleached containing fats and sugar, lots of yeast to make it rise super quick. Bread would of been a healthy slow carb not its a fast carb.

We try now to eat brown rice (hard going but its ok) and wholemeal pasta. I try to make bread but its a slow process. I tend to buy brown bread.

The trouble with food is its too cheap, its throw awayable. I look down supermarket isles and at least 50% plus foods are not necessary, the supermarkets have done a lot of damage to our health and they cant wash their hands by saying its your chose as unfortunetly many people just cant make the correct decisions. Surely, if they concentrated on selling the best foods, made from the best ingredients, at a higher price then people would have to think, plan and avoid waste. I find it shocking that the average family is still throwing £13 worth of food away a week, to me that proves that its still too cheap.

I particulary hate the control of foods by McD, cocoa cola etc particualary with children.

Over time we have all become chair bound and its totally un-natural. And watching the recent programme on TV, going to the gym 1hr a day doesnt work you need to be continually moving.

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bacon · 22/05/2012 17:52

Yep, its called profit and even though, like others, I use the supermarkets, they try to make out they are yr friend and are doing so much for you while grabbing your loyality with points, 2 for ones, offers & fancy stickers.

I have read many books and in particular which was awful (more US based) The Way we eat and why it matters. Terrible facts about why cheap food comes at a price.

smokinaces · 22/05/2012 18:20

Yakbutter has your ds had his thyroid checked? Six foot and seven stone is very very slight especially if he is eating that much.

GhostOfAWasp · 22/05/2012 18:27

Smokin- I can't believe how well you've done since October. I'm thinking I might give a low carbing a go, but my own made up veggie version. Will just see how it goes. Have almost finished The Diet Trap. Fairly compelling stuff.

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smokinaces · 22/05/2012 18:36

Ghost, its second nature now. I don't miss the bread, rice or pasta. It makes lunches like on my course hard (sandwiches and volavents) but I just take my own salad. I have the odd dark chocolate, nuts, alcohol, make my own crisps from celeriac. My diet is healthier than ever - but not sure I could do it without the meat!!

Yak, I cannot believe your Gp wouldn't give him a blood test!

smokinaces · 22/05/2012 18:38

And yes, when you get your head round it all its amazing. If you do eat pasta, rice etc look at the portion size. I've been known to have a huge plateful when really a handful would suffice.

And eggs for breakfast are much nicer than cereal :-)

GhostOfAWasp · 22/05/2012 18:40

Yak, that's terrible. Sad

Out of interest, do you devoted low carbers also feed your kids in the same way? My DS2 in particular seems to exist solely on carbs at the moment and if they are the work of the devil he needs to cut down too.

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