Do people lie to get the jabs?

[Z0rr0]

It’s taken me several years to lose three stone. All my own effort. Got down to 11 stone 4, about half a stone more to drop me below 11 stone and I’d be pretty happy. But it’s such hard work and if I slip off a very rigid diet for a few days the pounds start piling back on. What with holiday and then struggling to get back on the wagon I gained a stone. I feel vile and bloated but am struggling to get back in the diet mindset and even if I do it will be such hard work to try to fight my way back and then try to lose that final half a stone.
So I thought sod it, I’ll look at the jabs. Did the online assessment. Have a BMI of 27.5 and osteoarthritis but it said they can’t prescribe. Not sure why. So now I’m wondering if people tell porkies about their weight and / or health conditions to get the jabs prescribed online?

A lot of pharmacies now have you on video call while you measure yourself. I've been asked to do that by two different pharmacies.

@Wildgoat Yes I realise that. I suppose my question was more along the lines of Merida stretching the truth rather than outright lying to get something I don’t need, because according to the guidelines I should qualify, but didn’t get through the qualifying questions so wondered if people exaggerate a bit to improve their chances.

There are pharmacies that don't ask for a video call or photos.

I didn't lie about my weight but knocked two inches off my height. Nobody checked.

Thanks Watching. That’s a good safeguard. What are you required to measure? Just weight or like waistline as well?

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The reality is a lot of people weigh more than you think but hide it well. I know very few who have lied. A LOT of people are overweight.

It’s an amazing drug that is changing peoples lives for the better. I’m glad some of my friends have reduced the risk of heart disease etc significantly. I want them around longer.

If you do want to try it, pretty sure that BMI over 27 plus PCOS would make you eligible.
Try different pharmacies. Lots listed on the monj.uk website with all the prices.

If you are skint though it might not be the best thing as there's not really an end game.

Yes, quite apart from WLI I'd suggest any overweight person keep themselves informed as to their BP. It's a good thing to be aware of.

BMI of 27 and PCOS you would qualify at most of the online pharmacies.

My friend just asked her local pharmacist who gave her Mounjaro. No weighing in or anything. I think she’s only about two stone overweight and tall so wouldn’t qualify normally. She’s lost much slower than some - over two months to lose a stone - but she’s happy at that rate.

They asked for full length photos from the side and face on, also of feet on scales. But it’s pretty hard to gauge height from a photo, and I’d guess 5’8.5 (actual height) to 5’6 doesn’t look noticeable in photos if you’re the only subject matter.

If you’ve done it the old fashioned way before you can do it again.

check out the Human Being Diet - you have one large treat meal a week and the creator reckons that helps your body not go into stop your metabolism mode

i tried Wegovy and Ozempic (bmi of 30) and threw the pens away after two weeks on each. Felt sick as a dog. Still have gut problems from them ten months later. Apparently some people develop permanent gut paralysis. Oh.. and your appetite is also supercharged once you stop.

latest research that came out last week showed these injections shrink muscle including your heart muscle - there are many reasons for you to dig deep and find your discipline again, money aside

Huh? Wegovy and ozempic are the exact same drug from the same manufacturer, just different brand names, and that’s before we even get to the nonsense super charged appetite. Of the gut paralysis.

did you make it up?

Oh.. and your appetite is also supercharged once you stop

That's really interesting. I haven't seen any evidence on this, could you point to it please?

Hi OP I was super confused about everything before I started too. A pp has given a perfect breakdown of everything you need to know.

I thought I would just give mounjaro a try and not overthink things to begin with. Everyone starts on 2.5mg.

For me, it just took my hunger away. I wasn’t constantly thinking “what can I eat next”? I feel full, and can’t physically force myself to eat more. I had a pretty healthy diet, but my portion control was way off. I now eat less of the same stuff I cook for the rest of the family.

It’s working for me. I was 14st 11, and now 11st 12 (nearly 3 stone gone). I started late March.

I know I would not have managed this without MJ. I would have lost about half a stone, maybe a stone max. I would still have constantly been thinking about what to eat next, what I was “allowed” to eat on a diet. I have done this cycle many times in the past 30 years, hence the reason I ended up at nearly 15 stone!!

I worked out this week that I’ve lost nearly 20kg. This is equivalent to my big suitcase packed for a two week holiday! Glad it’s gone!

Congrats @AgnethaF. Losing weight does do wonders for how I feel about myself but I just get so down when I cut everything out and see next to no movement on the scales.

Thanks @curious79 you might be right. Actually the HBD was one of my successes this past year. I did Noom before and lost a bit but I was on such restricted calories coupled with workouts and seeing no results that it really upset me. HBD seems to work with my metabolism as I’m a bit of a snacker. With Noom they say eat whatever, whenever but just keep the calories down. The 5 hour gap between meals on HBD seemed to be the thing that finally worked for me and I did lose a lot. But diets that are that restrictive in the end are really hard to stick to and as soon as I slip a little the pounds pile on. I don’t know. I just really need to be in the right mindset for a diet that takes so much willpower and I’m not there at the moment unfortunately.

You'll definitely get it prescribed with pcos and bmi above 27. Try pharmulous or oushk, they are more patient centric with their maintenance plans. The oushk owner is an obesity expert.
Yes I understand it is difficult to lose weight with pcos, that's essentially insulin resistance that I've had since 18 and I also had all my weight on my abdomen since then and looked pregnant! I had prediabetes and high blood pressure for years and ibs for decades and its resolved all that and changed my life and most likely saved my life as my dad is diabetic and has heart issues and sister is prediabetic so my future was not looking great.
If there is a free text box in an application then mention pcos there if it doesn't ask beforehand. Definitely look on monj.co.uk for prices but with Oushk the top if website lists current discounts too.

There is absolutely zero evidence that WLIs shrink the heart muscle. Stop scaremongering.

There is however, data showing they actually reduce heart enlargement as well as reducing or reversing other significant health risk factors.

From PP who mentioned it shrinks heart muscle..no idea where that came from as wegovy is actually licensed to prevent heart disease. Clinical trials showed reductions by 20%.
As for muscle loss, that applies to any diet but actually research shows WLI reduce muscle loss compared to a standard diet, yes this has been mentioned several times by experts and in media due to trial results. Unfortunately if people eat very little calories and lose faster than 1-2lbs a week and don't exercise or eat a higher protein diet, then they will experience muscle loss but that is no different to doing SW or IF or any other diet!
My muscle rate has gone down from 50% to 45% in 11 months, considering I've not exercised once, I think that's fine and was expecting more.

Also OP financially, I have saved approx £65 a month on my food shopping, its down from 150 a month to 85. I also spend less in the canteen at work and zero on vending machines as my sweet cravings have gone and I haven't had a takeaway in 11 months and eaten out in a restaurant maybe 4 times during that time. Also a lot are put off alcohol too, so potentially lots of money savings there depending on your lifestyle and food intake. Might be worth starting wegovy if you do as its cheaper now.

Re: muscle % because you are losing fat the proportions change a lot. There is no point in looking at muscle %; for example it would be bad news indeed to loss equal proportions of muscle and fat. Instead you need to look at the kg of muscle you started with vs the kg of muscle you end with.

Example:
Weight of 100kg with 50kg fat 47kg muscle and 3kg bone. Body fat is 50%. Muscle is 47%

With no muscle loss
Weight of 65kg with 15kg fat, 47kg muscle
Body fat is 23% and muscle is 72%

With significant muscle loss
Weight of 65kg with 37kg muscle, 3kg fat and 25kg fat. Body fat is 38kg. Muscle is 57%.

So she lost 10kg of muscle but the percent increased.

With disastrarous muscle loss

Weight of 65kg with muscle if 32kg and fat 30kg.
muscle is now 49%. Looks better than start but she lost 15kg muscle and 15kg fat.

Yes I understand that but any smaller body will have less muscle than a bigger body so that's to be expected.
I started at 83kg so wasn't the biggest person around and now 61.5kg.
Also having a smaller body means naturally less muscle because they have less skin, there are different muscle types, smooth, skeletal, striated, and muscle under skin is smooth so a smaller person has less skin than a bigger person so a lot of muscle lost will be the smooth muscle under skin, which isn't as disastrous as skeletal muscle which is functional for movement etc. As someone who has studied anatomy and physiology for many years, I know all this and people panic when they hear about muscle loss in weight loss but most if it is under skin. The smart scales will only say total muscle content and not distinguish between muscle types.

You do NOT need a medical condition, this is WRONG INFORMATION!! You probably won't get the medication with an existing condition!

I've had to send photographs of myself, a photograph of my ID, and a photograph of me standing on the scales showing my weight.

My online prescription is also showing on my GP medical records, despite being prescribed privately by an online pharmacy. Unless people are lying about their conditions which may stop them being prescribed, I'm not sure what they could be lying about?

Who are you responding to? If your bmi is 27 and you have a health condition such as sleep apnea, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, you are eligible for the drugs, if not then it’s bmi 30.

such nonsense being spouted on here, mounjaro is now complete of final trials for cardio vascular disease, trials of 13 thousand people for nearly five years and will soon be used to treat it.

where do folks get their info, tik tok?