Food noise - best thing I've read

[Gigi936]

I have listened to this book by Dr Jack Mosley "Food noise" and I found it absolutely bloody brilliant. Explained really well and totally engaging, all about weight, injectables and food noise. I did wonder what qualifications Jack has that qualified him to carry on the mantel from his dad but turns out he is a doctor and did a masters in diabetes research so probably qualified to write this book.

It's for anyone who is curious about injectables, on injectables, totally against injectables......I wish the policy makers would listen to it too that's for sure.

I'm not affiliated in anyway to him 😂 but do take MJ and wanted to hear some impartial thoughts. Filtering out all the extreme views on GLPs is hard so glad I found this.

@Gigi936

could you give us a few thoughts wrt food noise that you found to be the most useful/relevant from reading?

Interesting - hadn't realised Michael Mosely's son was in this field too. I had so much respect for the father - will take a look thanks.

I'm prediabetic and would be interested in some points that stood out for you.

For me, Dr Mosley senior was just more diet-industry noise! His fast 800 calories book was not possible to do for those with metabolic issues (and we know why now with more research) and we end up blaming ourselves (again). He also used the original research re intermittent fasting of Dr Vargas without giving her any credit. However if he helped some people, that’s good, though I myself thought he was over-hyped.

I’m listening right now. Thank you for the recommendation

He explains the history of GLP-1 research, references studies, talks through the pros, risks, benefits and new research into other health benefits. He explains what to consider when deciding to use them and how to use GLP-1s safely if that's the path you do choose.

Even though he states at the start he's neither for or against the injections, he certainly comes across as supporting the use in those who feel it's right for them. A lot of the book is about how to use them safely, and the importance of muscle mass preservation etc

@worriedMiL33
For me hearing how our ancestors needed food noise when food availability was unpredictable. He refers to patients he studied and shares summaries of what food noise is like for them. Also talks about almost a spectrum of volume......some hear the noise very loudly and from the moment they wake, down to those who rarely think about food until right before eating

Interesting

I am still waiting to hear some new information that anyone who has done any research into GLP-1s before or after starting doesn't already know or is not freely available, as and when needed, on internet or through a decent provider.

It may be helpful for someone just starting out to have it all in one place, but even then not sure if it would be fully comprehensive for Mounjaro and each individuals needs.

Now, if it contained instructions on the 5th dose, micro dosing, using the pen over 30 days, a fail proof way to reliably relieve constipation before going into the office, and how to fix saggy jowls that would be useful! 🤣

Saggy jowls seem to fix themselves given time. I was still clinically obese when a neighbour took it upon herself to stop me in the street and warn me that I had lost too much weight, was starting to look gaunt and needed to stop dieting.

When I weighed 160kg my face and neck were very round, then when I got down to 100kg so much padding had gone from under my facial and neck skin that it was hanging in deep creases and folds. I think that's what people call Ozempic face, though I'd achieved it by eating to improve my gut microbiome.

I thought that at 68 years old I'd have to get used to looking like a cross between Sid James and an elderly turkey, but a year (and another 20kg lost) later the situation has improved, old skin just needs a bit longer to adjust.

@stealthsquirrelnutkin thank you so much for posting that!! It may mean there is hope for my poor crumpled carrier bag of a stomach…

That's amazing to read @stealthsquirrelnutkin I have a friend who swears skin takes 2 years to catch up to weight loss. I always wonder if the thing about losing weight slowly being better for your skin is true or if it's just that there is less lag time between the weight loss & the skin catching up...

I lost loads of weight as a teenager, went from a size 38 inch waist to a size 28 between June and September, when I was 14, and don't remember any problems with loose skin.

Lost 6 stone in my 40s as well and got the collapsed jowly face that time too. Though I have no memory of my thighs bagging at the knees and my tits doing scrotum impersonations the way they did this time. I'll be 68 in August and wasn't sure what to expect, because really old ladies do have wrinkly skin, and I've lost more weight than ever before, (83kg over 3 years) so it came as a very pleasant surprise to realise the jowls and wattles had shrunk.

You need to release a book @stealthsquirrelnutkin🤣. Might have more original and real life useful information in it!

I don't think my 14 year old dieting method would be approved. I'd eat a boiled egg for breakfast with a multivitamin and a cup of black coffee, then leave the house telling my parents that I'd be eating with friends. I'd tell my friends that I'd had a big breakfast and would be eating again when I went home later, and then told my parents I'd eaten so much for lunch that I was stuffed, and would eat a little pot of yogurt or some cottage cheese in the evening. I still sat down to Sunday lunch with the family so they never suspected that I wasn't eating. They just thought I was growing up and shedding puppy fat.

I read it and agree, it's really good. Gives all the history and information about WLI and guidance if you choose to use them.

My friend has just recommended this book to me. She has lost 4 stones on injections, now coming off and bought this book to ‘bridge the gap’ and has found it very insightful. Thank you for your recommendation