To think denying myself certain foods is silly?

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Day two of mounjaro. I'm 24 stone.

Today for lunch I had a salad sandwich on wholemeal and some baked crisps. I usually have a pasty and crisps. In the afternoon I usually eat loads of cakes and biscuits off the treat table at work. I mean loads. Followed by a takeaway or highly processed evening meal.

I laid off the usual afternoon cakes and biscuits, apart from one little square of flapjack.

Someone has basically said I'm letting myself down by eating the flapjack and the crisps. I think I'm making healthier choices and to ban myself from eating cakes and crisps on day 2 or ever is heading for disaster as I'll then want these more and then I'm more likely to eat them in large quantities like the me that got this fat?

This. Exactly.
I'm a little over 6 months on MJ and I actually had to chuck an almost full tub of M&S mini rocky road bites in the bin that I'd bought thinking they'd be a nice little something with a cuppa as a treat. Had 2 or 3 out of the tub and forgot about them they were 3 weeks old. Last September pre MJ I'd have polished the whole tub in an afternoon.

Well sure in a perfect world. But someone who is 24 stone has eaten 'wrongly' for a long time and needs to make changes that can be sustained. So simply saying that she should give up all the food she's used to enjoying because 'healthy snacks are better' is pretty naive and unhelpful. Hopefully she will give up crisps in time (I have since being on Mounjaro - just not interested in them) but she's only been on it a few days!! Setting unrealistic goals is likely to lead to 'failure' and loss of confidence and motivation. Little by little is better than not at all.

Healthier choices are always better, obviously. But Mounjaro isn’t magic and if you don’t eat at a calorie deficit, you will not lose weight. So while people shouldn’t be pestering you and any improvement is good improvement, I would consider your mindset regarding treats.

The main effect of Mounjaro which makes people lose weight is that they no longer desire food outside of their basic meals. Most people even struggle to eat more than their required daily calories. Hopefully that effect kicks in for you soon, as it is the real power behind Mounjaro. It’s literally changed my life in that regard, I have snacks in the cupboard for weeks now that I’d have eaten in one sitting previously.

I’ve lost 5 stone and am 22 BMI now and still enjoy a cake, or some chocolate, or the odd packet of crisps. You still have to enjoy and participate in life, the MJ is just about establishing healthier habits that allows you do that in a more balanced way. So where I might have had a whole sharing bar of chocolate to myself, I have a couple of pieces and that’s enough. Or where I have a gooey chocolate cake while meeting a pal for coffee, I automatically now adjust my food intake the rest of the day to account for it.

I have occasional treats - a Chinese takeaway, a cake when out, a few crisps etc. but what I learned about myself at Christmas, 6 months into Mounjaro including over Christmas, was when those treats and carb heavy foods became too often the cravings quickly returned and even Mounjaro didn’t stop them.

So for me that is something I need to watch out for and think about for when I reach maintenance. You need to be attentive to how, or even if, they impact you and decide how to manage it.

Who is this person who made the comment OP? They don’t sound particularly supportive. Some people can be very odd when you decide to lose weight as it challenges the power balance in your relationship. They’d rather you knew your place and kept being the fat friend/colleague/partner! Be wary of anyone who tries to belittle or undermine your weight loss.

Mate! You are on day 2! The medication has barely had time to travel around your body!

We all respond differently. In my first week, there is no way I could have eaten a whole sandwich for lunch. My suppression was really intense. Now, three months in, I could eat the sandwich but wouldn’t fancy the crisps.

You need to follow your body’s natural response to the drug. You are clearly making more sensible choices, and as you progress, you will have times where you don’t want the flapjack, bizarre as that will sound now.

You have a long journey ahead of you, so you need to develop a thicker skin. Other people have weird, and sometimes unpleasant views on WLI. You just keep on with your own little journey. 💐

It’s such early days. You won’t want them in a month or two.

Everything in moderation, no use denying yourself food, that's just establishing 'bad food relationships' which most of us have. You didn't snaffle the entire spread, you have one square of flapjack, that's it. You are doing ok. No one in this world eats entirely clean every single day...if they claim they do, they are chatting out of the place the sun don't shine......

M&S Sparks gave me the choice between one of those tubs or a pack of grapes as a birthday treat. A year ago I'd have laughed at the no brainer, while rapidly working my way through the obvious chocolate treat. Mounjaro me chose the grapes though because I knew the tub would suffer the same fate as yours did.
I still buy treats but only things that work with this new lifestyle - smaller things or things with a long best before date.

I eat what I want as long as they are calorie counted. Obviously in moderation but if I deny myself everything I will just binge on it later on. I've lost three stone in 4 months with two stone to go.

I'm almost 10 weeks in and have chocolate everyday as I love it!

I also have protein, fresh veg, fruit, run every week and weight train. Life would be very boring without a treat!

Try and eat more fruit and veg. More protein, less carbs. Basically improve the quality of what you eat as part of loving yourself.

I lost 4 stone a couple of years ago by following a healthy diet. I studied the types of food and portion sizes eaten by slim people and emulated that. I still had one day a week when I could eat anything I liked including crisps choc or cake. As my diet progressed I wanted less and less treats. But I never gave them up. I also still met friends for coffee and cake now and then, ate out now and then. Basically ate a normal healthy diet that normal healthy person night follow. And I never called it a diet.