Do you agree there should be more checks before drugs are prescribed.?

[RedHillLady]

There has been a lot in the media recently about how the current system is too weak and needs to be more robust.
I think we are going to see increased regulation soon and I see that as a good thing.

Their behaviour is reckless if they take medication that is dangerous for them and which makes their condition worse. Everyone on here says we need to work to stop people in this position from obtaining the drugs and from using them. Nobody thinks these people should be able to take the medication. There are loads of MH conditions where sufferers display reckless behaviour - eg BPD.

I suspect that in your head, comparing it to overeating makes sense but it doesn’t. These are obese people who are taking the medication to reduce their weight and improve their health. Nothing reckless about them taking the medication at all. I know you want to stick the boot in and call people reckless and greedy for getting into that position in the first place (not sure why) but you might want to read up on causes of obesity and physiological responses.

The causes of obesity are not reckless behaviour. The causes of eating disorders are not reckless behaviour. The point being made is it is unfair to call someone with an eating disorder reckless and stupid just as it would be unfair to call an obese person eating burgers and chips, reckless and stupid. There are psychological and physiological reasons for both people's actions.

The cure for the obese person (GLP1) may be a death sentence for the eating disordered person. Just like the cure for the eating disordered person (to eat a lot of high calorie food to get their weight up) could be a death sentence for an obese person.

It is possible to have sympathy for both and realise neither are reckless nor stupid because of what their bodies and minds are forcing them to do ....

So millions of people should go without in your view.,as they can’t afford the inflated costs, or can’t get a consultation due to the multiple year waiting lists, they should struggle on. With their health conditions caused by obesity. Due to a small minority of folks like your mate.

sure. That’s logical.

They aren’t reckless for having or developing an eating disorder. Their behaviour, caused by their disorder, in taking drugs that are dangerous for them is reckless. The same as an obese person who takes double doses of WLIs or obtains it cut price on the black market. Not sure why this is controversial.

It's not reckless behaviour, it's behaviour driven by faulty physiology and psychology. Just like when an obese person chooses to eat Macdonald's. If you are calling both behaviours reckless and stupid, that makes sense (though I don't agree)

Read some of the threads on here, folks messing with their doses, lying about their bmis, starving themselves.

sometimes people are reckless or stupid, they are not all mentally unwell or have some fault on their psychology.

I meet the criteria, no history of ED, but also was wary of informing GP. Not everyone has a sympathetic GP or ability to move.

But your gp can’t stop the prescribing if you are eligible, genuinely eligible.

It has been prescribed and I am genuinely eligible.

It feels like some folks are annoyed that there’s a medication available to help millions of people which the nhs doesn’t have to pay for but will benefit from.

I'm not against people who need it getting it, I don't think anyone is. I am wholly against it being marketed at all, let alone so aggressively, and I am against how easy it is for people to obtain.

There needs to be a balance so that those who need it can have it and those who would abuse it cannot get it via a couple of clicks with a mouse.

I don't see how or why an in-person appointment, whether via a prescribing nurse or pharmacist or a GP, would make it impossible or harder for those who need it to get it.

The cult-like defensiveness around it and anyone who dares question its safety is also odd. It is, after all, a prescription medication that has potential side effects such as thyroid cancer, pancreatitis, kidney failure...

Also, can you imagine the uproar if other types of prescription drugs which are relatively safe when used properly but highly susceptible to abuse were advertised in the same way?

"Sick of having a headache and being told to use paracetamol and turn the screen off? It doesn't work! Join Heroin.org now and try Oramorph. It will change your life! See Instagram for your discount code."

Silly comparison

People are seemingly defensive because they finally have a cure for obesity and people like you are ( for whatever reasons you may have) annoyed by this fact and wish to restrict their access to treatment for their condition.

Don't bother with your faux concern re side effects

You likely don't get your knickers in a twist about all other medication side effects

We've all heard this nonsense before

There are ads for most over the counter medication, some of which can be very dangerous if used improperly. I think I’ve seen adverts for the morning after pill too. Advertising medication is nothing new. Oramorph is a habit forming drug and is not available to buy in an unrestricted way. There is no suggestion that WLIs are addictive. Therefore the comparison isn’t the best.

I agree with this
@AnnaQuayInTheUk Who cares if someone went from a size 12 to an 8

They're presumably still healthy

This isn't the(faux) concern raised regarding ED patients getting it

Why are you bovvered?!

Not at all @Finallydoingit24 I've been morbidly obese myself.

Not me, I’m on it. However I do not agree to withhold the information from gp;s I don’t see the reason. They don’t need to be emotionally supportive. If you’re eligible you’re eligible. There is no reason your gp shouldn’t know and it shouldn’t be on your medical records you’re on this drug.

I’ve still not seen one time anyone can explain a good reason why they don’t want the drug on their medical records.

People don’t need to explain that to you. Why is it any of your concern ?

Who are you refering to?

you do understand this is a chat forum right? Coming on and trying to silence discussion is odd.

@Searchingforthelight I'm concerned because there's already huge pressure on young women to conform to certain standards about weight and size. I think women lying about their weight to gain access to strong medication which will lower their weight when they have no need of it is dangerous.