Article on BBC on weight loss injections today

[Orangesandlemons77]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyn92j4nn2o

Article on the first people getting these on the NHS, just sharing out of interest.

I saw that and thought it was really interesting,

I was surprised though that the two patients they mentioned hadn’t lost more weight tbh, (compared to examples of people here or on Reddit).

Do we think that people paying for it themselves and potentially making financial sacrifices are more motivated to get maximum benefit from it? I’m not saying I definitely believe that but is an interesting question.

That did an item on Breakfast this morning and it was very positive. None of the usual tripe we hear in the media.

There's a Panorama programme on this evening too.

I'm one of the lucky ones prescribed it on the NhS, think I caught the diabetes nurse on a good day when I asked for it

I think with the lady, she was on it for diabetes and it said something about her dose being increased...I have seen some people with diabetes only getting up to 5mg for that so it could be something to do with it. Not sure though.

I was glad to see a more positive and informative article than some of the scaremongering ones which have been in the press in recent months.

Can you get it over 5mg out of interest?

That's good to hear.

Posted too soon.

I was prescribed because of T2 diabetes and BMI and had lost 42 lbs since being out on it at the beginning of Sept, now 11 lbs from hitting the healthy BMI.

It is a wonderful medication and the quicker the NHs is able to move forward with prescribing to eligible patients the better.

@Orangesandlemons77 I'm still on 5mg will move up if it stops working, which is how the protocol works for diabetes prescribing. As long as I'm consistently losing weight and my sugars remain in control I'll stay at 5mg.

Thanks for the reply, glad it is helping you!

Just watched the Panorama programme (link in the article) I thought it was pretty positive, did anyone else watch it? It is also on at 8pm tonight.

Not seen it yet but I was pleased with the item on Breakfast this morning. A refreshing change to see a positive story.

I thought the same, particularly the larger bloke. Only the quite disabled woman seemed to be losing at the kind of rate you'd expect really. Interesting question on whether paying for it yourself motivates you to maximise the effects (although many gym payments over the years might argue against that😆).

I really do think that about paying for it yourself. I would like it to be accessible to everyone but I know what I'm like, I'm more invested in something if I'm financially invested in it, too.

It would still have the effect of quieting the food noise though I guess despite the cost issue. And being monitored might encourage people as well

Just watching the Panorama. I feel like it’s making it seem easier to get, or be ‘eligible’, on the NHS than it really is. So far it hasn’t mentioned the tiered weight management system.

I haven’t watched it yet but I’m 22 stone, my BMI is 53, and I have high blood pressure and cholesterol and am pre-diabetic. And I can’t get it on the NHS in Lancashire where I live. It annoys me the media are making out anyone who’s “obese” can access it. I’m in the “morbidly obese” category and it’s not available to me. I can be referred to bariatric surgery though which I’d have thought is far more expensive.

I was surprised they weren't losing more. And they had dietician support etc as well.

I'm also morbidly obese and can't get it on NHS and really want to believe I can lose more than 20%

I watched the Panorama programme last night and was also surprised that they didn't lose more weight. Maybe they are encouraged to lose it more slowly so that they can get used to a more sustainable way of eating rather than going on a crash diet and then drifting back to their old way of eating after coming off the drugs?

I was also surprised that they didn't look particularly overweight, in fact I thought there were others in the programme that looked more overweight than the actual patients. I suppose it shows how normalised obesity has become.

I’m surprised anyone watched the program and thought the bbc was making out it was easy to get, I thought it was very clear, only 300k of the millions eligible. And how everyone else had to go without or pay.

im also hugely surprised the poster above thought those patients didn’t look particularly overweight, they were very clearly morbidly obese.

I'm not saying they didn't look overweight, but being morbidly obese does not look unusual these days. As was seen in the shots of all the people walking about in the streets and the fact that about 65% of the adult population is overweight.

I’m sorry but you literally wrote I was also surprised that they didn't look particularly overweight.

I’m sorry but you literally wrote I was also surprised that they didn't look particularly overweight.

I should have added, ...compared to the general population... or something, but the word 'particularly' kind of implies this, in my mind anyway.

I didn't write 'I didn't think they looked overweight'

Not sure why this is bothering you so much!

I understand the message was that there are far more obese people than the NHS would be able to prescribe to. But I meant that there was no mention (that I can recall) about the tiered weight management service that someone would have to go through before being eligible. It's not a case of seeing a doctor and checking the box of BMI>35 and you'd be 'eligible', you have to go through the tiers of support first which would usually include following an exercise and diet programme and show genuine effort to it. Those on the programme yesterday were shown seeing a doctor and being given the prescription. That's not what happens.

it isn’t, it is you who is argu(ng you meant something other than which you wrote.

the use of the word particularly, means especially. So for example, I didn’t find last nights curry particularly spicy,

or I tried the skirt in, it was not particularly tight.

it means very or especially. It doesn’t not mean in comparison to other curries or skirts.

and yes they were particularly overweight in comparison to the rest of the population. They were significantly morbidly obese. The average dress size of a woman is 16 in the uk, way smaller than the lady. And the man took a 6 x XL top, this is not the average size of men in the uk.

if you think it is, your view of obesity is indeed skewed.

Yes in my area you spend 2 years at tier 2 then a waiting list for tier 3 and they aren't offering injections just surgery (which seems crazy). It's only available to those with 3 complications from a list such as heart problems etc so even just one isn't enough.

I think it's different if you're diabetic though which I think they all were in the video?