To ask if anyone with a normal BMI has taken mounjaro

[OptimismvsRealism]

And how it affected you?

(Assuming for diabetes but for any reason really)

Why would you want to unless prescribed by your GP for diabetes?

I imagine it would be to go from 24/25, which can look overweight, to 20/21/22

There are a few medical reasons but diabetes is the main one

My question is does it have harsher side effects for people of normal weight, essentially

I'm 21 (BMI not age sadly ) and wondering what it might be like

I know a few people who take them for weight loss/appetite control when they do not need them but they are already very, very sick. They don't appear to have worse side effects, I doubt it would deter them if they did.

Edited to point out that these people have so many side effects related to ED that it would be hard to know what was caused by binging, purging, and restricting and what was caused by the jabs. Either way, it is not worth the risk OP.

A BMI of 21 is a very healthy weight. If you're unhappy with your shape look into body recomposition instead of weight loss or start something like Yoga or Pilates which will tone and elongate your muscles.

It’s not licensed for normal bmi and has significant side effects.

it’s not just to ‘see what it’s like’

Diabetics with normal BMI can get it (I don't know if this is an off licence use, maybe).

I think probably most people will end up on it in the near future. As long as supply can meet demand I don't see a problem.

I disagree that most people will end up on them. I think it's looking more and more likely they will go the same way as the last "wonder" drug for weight loss (also known as speed) and will become heavily restricted and only used in extreme circumstances for weight loss.

Source?

These jabs are amazing for the people who need them. They're being hailed as a miracle drug. Not just for weight loss, but for diabetes, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, smoking cessation.

They have amazing effects on the body.

It carries significant risks, like a lot of medication. The risks can be weighed up against the risks of obesity and diabetes and it can be worth taking the drugs to avoid the serious health complications that can come with being obese or diabetic. But for someone with a healthy weight, no it would not be worth risking thyroid cancer, bowel obstruction and stomach paralysis - and there is no chance that most people will be on it in the future because it's prescription medication that should only be taken if medically necessary.

@OptimismvsRealism are you diabetic and is your diabetic HCP suggesting you take Mounjaro?

That's the old way. Pharma culture has come to the UK and a lot of people aren't content to just suffer nobly. See also new expectations around hrt. I definitely intend to take that for the rest of my life when the time comes!

I've asked MNHQ to move your thread from AIBU to the weightloss injection section if you really want to talk to MJ users or those considering it.

I get the feeling they don't

I do too. It being on the board would take away/reduce that obvious aibu klaxon and they can get the real answers they seem to want.

Do you have an eating disorder?

Well I'm not interested in it for its weight loss properties, just its organ protecting ones

It has everyday side effects like diarrhoea, nausea, fatigue and vomiting which are really common. I don't understand why not taking them would be suffering nobly? If you don't need to lose weight and aren't diabetic, what would they do for you apart from making you ill?

It's just an opinion. Which is why I said I think and not research has shown.

If you look back at the 60's and 70's speed was also hailed as a miracle drug until people started dying.

My opinion is based on the similarities between anorexia and the appetite effects of the drugs. When you read ED forums compared to weightloss jab forums the tone is very similar, even up to the harm reduction techniques the posters share. If Mounjaro etc were healthy harm reduction tips like eating plenty of high-quality protein would not been needed.

When I eat the way someone on Mounjaro eats it is dangerous and I need help. Either extreme restriction is dangerous or it's not. (It is, FYI) You can't have it both ways.

OP I am waiting for approval for mounjaro because I take complicated meds for a number of autoimmune conditions. You will not get this drug at BMI 21. Even I at BMI 30 have been scrutinised.
In a lancet review paper in 2021 mounjaro was thought to reduce inflammation of the body including heart, liver, kidneys and the brain. However this drug has been developed for obesity.
Semiglutide was developed for diabetes and I have two friends who have taking it for a number of years.

When I started MJ my BMI was 28.6 (I think?). I have since lost 18lbs and my BMI is now back in to the normal range. I haven't experienced any side effects other than a slightly upset tummy a few times and a dry mouth. I intend to keep taking it until I have lost another 10lbs - 12lbs because being 10.7lbs was my pre-kids weight. And it's when I looked and felt at my best.

A pertinent article from the BBC website today.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dmp250zjno

If Mounjaro etc were healthy harm reduction tips like eating plenty of high-quality protein would not been needed.

Maybe I am misunderstanding this (what do you mean by harm reduction techniques?) but if not it's pretty ignorant. Mounjaro causes weight loss. One of the potential problems with any kind of weight loss is loss of muscle. Protein is recommended for anyone losing weight, by any method, because along with strength training it helps prevent too much muscle loss. The idea is to keep the muscle and lose mostly fat, and you can't do that without adequate protein.

When I eat the way someone on Mounjaro eats it is dangerous and I need help. Either extreme restriction is dangerous or it's not. (It is, FYI) You can't have it both ways.

What do you mean, "the way someone on Mounjaro eats", which people? I'm someone on Mounjaro. Today I had a cheese and sweetcorn omelette for lunch followed by some yogurt with kiwi, and then a chicken, spinach and coconut curry for dinner followed by some cashew nuts and a bit of dark chocolate. It was all delicious. Which bit of that would be dangerous for you to the point where you would need help?

There are plenty of people talking about what they're eating on MJ on various threads. Very few are doing extreme restriction. The appetite suppression does kick in hard for some people at first and they struggle to eat enough, it happened to me, but it doesn't seem to last. What people are actually talking about is finding a way to eat that they can continue for life, and using MJ to learn new habits etc. And people are worried about losing too quickly because they think it increases the risk of gall bladder side effects, loose skin and regaining weight after they come off the meds.

@gimmemounjaro

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mounjaro/comments/1g9xv1g/how_many_calories_are_you_guys_eating/

These people, for example, some of whom eat 500 calories a day. I ate more than that when I was in treatment for AN, so did most of the people I was in therapy.

Very few posters on that thread reported eating more than 1000 calories a day with most aiming for a maximum of 1200.

It's like reading a MyProAna thread back in the day.

The symptoms they report, the hair loss, lack of energy, diarrhea... those are common symptoms of anorexia.

I clicked on that link @frequency - I'm not really a Reddit user and don't have the app so maybe there's more comments somewhere, but what I read was an OP worried she wasn't eating enough and trying to eat more and then lots of replies advising her that she needs to eat more, isn't getting enough and suggesting ways to increase her calorie intake. There seemed to be a lot more stating 1200 calories as a minimum than maximum, some people talking about getting 1500-2000 - absolutely there were a couple of alarming comments eg someone eating 600-900 calories a day. Overall though, from what I could read on that thread, people were advocating for a much higher intake.

I see a lot worse on the general MN weight loss boards all the time, not exclusive to injections but very common on the calorie counting boards and fasting boards when it comes to daily calorie intake. If you were getting weight loss information from this website, you'd come away thinking it's greedy and excessive to go over 1000 calories a day - and every now and again someone will post on AIBU that they're eating something like 800 calories a day and not losing weight and posters will advocate cutting even more. Mumsnet has a major problem with pro-ana content and it isn't about the jabs but about all kinds of weight loss.

I'm absolutely certain that MJ can and is being used dangerously - I mean, this actual thread is suggesting a dangerous use for it. And, like any part of the weight loss industry, it's definitely going to be used to prop up restrictive eating disorders and really alarming behaviour. I don't deny that, and it rings alarm bells for me when people are suffering a lot with diarrhoea and vomiting because it evokes purging behaviours to me and gets into scary territory quite quickly. But the other side of that is how useful the drug can be for people suffering Binge Eating Disorder, which I think really isn't well understood and can be dismissed very easily but is actually pernicious, damaging and a major contributor to obesity. MJ does allow sufferers some respite from that disorder and some space and peace in which they can find treatment. So I wouldn't write it off as being solely damaging to sufferers of EDs. Diet culture as a whole is, and the injections are part of that for sure, but I think the injections have a lot of positive use as well as dangers.