You shouldn't take weight loss drugs. Learn about healthy eating, eat less and exercise more.

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This is like telling an insomniac "don't take tablets, just get more sleep"

I'm 41.
I have tried.

I KNOW all about healthy eating. Probably more than most slim people.
I don't have an emotional/binge eating disorder, I just have a bigger appetite than most people. I can only control it so long via willpower or low-carb diets. The drive to eat is the most powerful instinct known to man (except maybe breathing)

It's the weight loss medication that takes the edge of said appetite and ALLOWS me the space to make sensible decisions on food.

I've gone from 15 stone to 9 stone (I'm short). If these drugs had been invented 20 years ago, my life would have been much better.

And no, I didn't steal the drugs off a diabetic. I got private prescriptions for Wegovy and then Mounjaro which are only marketed for weightloss.

And yes I am quite prepared to take the drug forever if necessary.

And no, I don't care about the "potential unknown long term side effects" because they can hardly be worse than what I was facing with obesity.

And although exercise is beneficial for many reasons, it is a fairly trivial factor in weightloss.

And many people now regret that decision.

I've not read the whole thread so maybe it's already been discussed but I'm wondering if anyone using mounjaro or similar had problems with sagging skin with losing weight so quickly?

This is wrong on both counts. Plenty of people knew what the covid vaccines were, they were widely discussed as they were being developed. The weight loss injections have been extensively researched and trialled. They are well understood and the possible side effects are well known.

It's simplistic scaremongering to say that "no one knows" what they are or what they do.

Are you taking Mounjaro?

@J316 I have a little loose skin on my tummy. But I didn't lose the weight all that fast. 6st in 15 months is 1.5lb/week. I think the loose skin was actually caused by yo-yo dieting for 20 years rather than this last weight loss with mJ

I agree with you Op

I’ve posted it this lots but it really isn’t that simple.

@SilenceInside no. The point is people took the jabs anyway,post was aimed at @WhiteLily1 saying we don't know enough about Weightloss injections.... well we didn't about the covid ones either
Bet she's took them though!

I've been in Mj, lost the weight. Off it now and I'm eating same as when I was on it due to new habits formed

Not overly hungry....sorry. But they work

I feel like you're getting your information from the 00s.

First you were going on about the emotional root cause, that was the old approach, now they've moved on to tackling the physiological root cause, because the old way hasn't worked.

As for depression meaning you have a chemical imbalance in your brain, there's no reliable evidence that says that, that's an old theory, and even though anti-depressants work on some people they actually don't know why that is!

It's often caused by stressful life events etc. That's nothing to do with having a chemical imbalance.

@kkloo agreed.
Indeed therapy in the 90s and 00s was obsessed with "getting to the root cause" of the problem. Ie talking about childhood trauma. These days it's less about focusing on the problem, more focusing on the solution which in this instance is...a medication to control appetite.

This! So many comments saying they’ve not been around long, or they’re unknown. I’m sure they’ve been available for diabetics for circa 20 years or so and there’s been no big news scandal about them killing lots of those people off our making them ill.

@WhiteLily1
Difference was that a bacterial infection wouldn’t be cured by human choices. Being over weight can be

But the weight isn't the only problem. Even if someone managed to get the weight off they are still dealing with the mental torture of the food noise all the time that never ends. No peace, no freedom from those thoughts.

You said that people who have depression have a chemical imbalance and are 'mentally ill' and think that it's fine for them to take drugs.

Don't you see any similarities here?

How come drugs to stop depressive thoughts are ok? But drugs that stop obsessive ones aren't?

Exactly. Understanding how childhood trauma might have played a part in a person might have started to binge eat as a child for example doesn't stop the hormones from misfiring and telling people that they're constantly hungry. 🙈

Really? That’s your answer? Shut me up by making out that I’m somehow unwell / ‘troubled’
Honestly you sound like a disgruntled husband from the 1930’s trying to get his non compliant wife sectioned.
I’m quite alright let me assure you and you do not need to attempt to rail others into not engaging with me by calling me troubled than you very much.
Do you always try to shut down people who disagree with you by calling them troubled and twisting what they say. To
be honest you remind me of one of those bitchy bully girls I used to see in secondary school.

Genuinely a question. Why didn’t people 30 years ago talk about hormones misfiring and feeling constant hunger?

And your way forward is to do what?
Continue pushing the same advice that hasn't worked in the past even though obesity levels are rising?

I just think new medication en made isn’t the best route. The foods that have been introduced into our mainstream diets over the past 30 years are diabolical and have caused this obesity crisis. And now rather than tackling the root causes people are just given drugs to solve it all.

They're not going to do anything about the food, or what they will do will be very little and won't even have a tiny impact.

It's like complaining about the effects of smart phones even though we know that there's no going back and they're here to stay.

Please just stop being so judgemental

Because there are things a person can do without involving drugs to stop that food noise. But it’s not an immediate easy route. It requires dedication, consistency and mental strength.
Some people like to tell
themselves that nothing will work. But it would if they had the right support.

So everyone should just inject themselves then with a new drug? I don’t believe that’s the best solution either.

Presumably obesity wasn't being studied as a disease at that point, and now it is.

This was my exact first point- thank you for bringing it back round.
It is a struggle for most people - especially those over 40 and arnt overweight. Many many people have food noise and struggle.
Not just me. Many people. Should we all just take an injection for life?

Im in an excellent place thank you. I just don’t agree with your opinion which is perfectly allowed.

Go on then @WhiteLily1

You are just DYING for someone to ask you how you did it!?

That's similar to depression though.
There's lots of things that a person with depression can do that might help, getting vitamin D3, magnesium etc, getting out for a walk early in the morning is meant to be great for stuff like that because the bi-lateral eye movements that happen when you walk calm the amygdala, exercise, a healthy diet etc but many depressed people can't do stuff like that because they're so depressed and they don't have the dedication, consistency or drive to do it because it's extremely difficult.

It's the same kind of thing.

It’s not a new drug fgs!