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Rumblings from another Icelandic volcano

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GloriaSmud · 17/08/2014 07:39

and it's a big 'un!
This time at Bárðarbunga, with over 200 earthquakes recorded so far and last night, the Icelandic Met Office raised the aviation colour code to yellow to reflect the unrest that's going on.

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RedToothBrush · 11/09/2014 08:15

Re the asthma issue, are we likely to be affected by that here in the UK? We are in the south east, and still getting to grips with managing my 6 yr old dd's asthma. She also has allergies which adds to the importance of managing it properly. Does anyone know what it might mean in terms of day to day management of asthma if so2 levels become high enough here to cause a problem? Many thanks and apologies for going slightly off topic.

Depends on just how big the eruption was. This is the wiki description of effects in the UK and the rest of Europe from the Laki eruption which was the last really big eruption:

An estimated 120,000,000 long tons (120,000,000 t) of sulphur dioxide was emitted, about three times the total annual European industrial output in 2006 (but delivered to higher altitudes, hence more persistent), and equivalent to a 1991 Mount Pinatubo eruption every three days.[9] This outpouring of sulphur dioxide during unusual weather conditions caused a thick haze to spread across western Europe, resulting in many thousands of deaths throughout 1783 and the winter of 1784.

The summer of 1783 was the hottest on record and a rare high pressure zone over Iceland caused the winds to blow to the south-east. The poisonous cloud drifted to Bergen in Denmark–Norway, then spread to Prague in the Kingdom of Bohemia (now the Czech Republic) by 17 June, Berlin by 18 June, Paris by 20 June, Le Havre by 22 June, and Great Britain by 23 June. The fog was so thick that boats stayed in port, unable to navigate, and the sun was described as "blood coloured".

Inhaling sulphur dioxide gas causes victims to choke as their internal soft tissue swells – the gas reacts with the moisture in lungs and produces sulfurous acid. The local death rate in Chartres was up by 5% during August and September, with more than 40 dead. In Great Britain, the records show that the additional deaths were among outdoor workers; the death rate in Bedfordshire, Lincolnshire and the east coast was perhaps two or three times the normal rate. It has been estimated that 23,000 British people died from the poisoning.

The weather became very hot, causing severe thunderstorms with large hailstones that were reported to have killed cattle, until the haze dissipated in the autumn. The winter of 1783/1784 was very severe; The naturalist Gilbert White in Selborne, Hampshire, reported 28 days of continuous frost. The extreme winter is estimated to have caused 8,000 additional deaths in the UK. During the spring thaw, Germany and Central Europe reported severe flood damage.

The meteorological impact of Laki continued, contributing significantly to several years of extreme weather in Europe. In France, the sequence of extreme weather events included a surplus harvest in 1785 that caused poverty for rural workers, as well as droughts, bad winters and summers, and a violent hailstorm in 1788 that destroyed crops. These events contributed significantly to an increase in poverty and famine that may have contributed to the French Revolution in 1789. Laki was only one factor in a decade of climatic disruption, as Grímsvötn was erupting from 1783 to 1785, and a 1998 study of El Niño patterns suggests that there was also an unusually strong El Niño effect from 1789 to 1793.

So in answer to your question, is there is a very real danger to pretty much all of us, not just asthma suffers if its a big one. The key word there being if. That is the worst case scenario though.

At the moment its pure speculation, and the smaller eruptions may have taken a lot of energy out of the system as well as the SO2. Its more of an issue with a big explosive eruption which causes the SO2 to get higher up into the atmosphere and be spread further.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 11/09/2014 08:23

I've been looking at the current situation which complements RTB's discussion nicely :) At present the gases are heading north eastwards over Norway and Finland. Although they have reported smelling it there, there seem to be no health alerts issued over it (other than those in Iceland)

Early to mid next week this begins to change as high pressure takes over. We may end up with some in circulation over the uk. However, I think, looking at the weather patterns, that unless there was a really big uptick in volcanic activity the levels would be too low to cause health issues.

LavaDragonflies · 11/09/2014 12:22

I think we will plan emigration after all!!

nannynick · 11/09/2014 13:21

Oh Windows Update is such a pain - probably cause of loss of Youtube Livefeed.

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Newbiecrafter · 11/09/2014 14:01

thanks for all the info re asthma. I didn't realise that this sort if thing could cause a problem so it's def good to know.

Lava, thanks for the offer of PM'ing you. I might take advantage just to get general advice if that's ok?

RedToothBrush · 11/09/2014 14:23

www.bardarbungavolcano.com/Home/News/88

Nice illustrations of possible scenarios at Bardarbunga caldera.

LavaDragonflies · 11/09/2014 16:56

Sure, go ahead.

RedToothBrush · 12/09/2014 07:57

www.jonfr.com/volcano/ Latest update from Jon F

Interestingly he suggests that there is yet another volcano stirring; Tungafellsjökull volcano plus the latest on the Bardarbunga caldera.

GloriaSmud · 12/09/2014 09:44

Like Bárðarbunga, that's another volcano that we don't know much about!
I'm noting the words from JonFr, "I don’t think there is more then a week until this goes off full power" ~ meaning something happens at Bárðarbunga.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 12/09/2014 12:26

He is going for a 'when' and the 'when' is soon. Interesting as the feeling at volcanocafe feelings seem to be that it might take a long time.

I'm trying to imagine a volcano that is inflating at the same time as the caldera is dropping. So it must be bulging at the sides?? Did I read that bit right?

MirandaWest · 12/09/2014 12:55

I don't like the words about a week before something happens.

I'm flying to America (via Iceland a week on Monday )

OhYouBadBadKitten · 12/09/2014 15:15

some of the comments after in Jon Fr.s blog are very ridiculously boomageddon.

Miranda, hopefully you might get to see the eruption (that is happening at present, not a big one!) from the air. That would be sooooooo cool.

LavaDragonflies · 12/09/2014 16:58

Miranda pack your camera in your hand luggage. I hope nothing happens, it's going to be pretty bad for the people in Iceland when it does.

LavaDragonflies · 12/09/2014 18:07

drone video of the eruptions

LostInWales · 13/09/2014 08:40

In some areas people are being told to stay indoors with windows closed and nothing bringing air in from outside because of the levels of dangerous gas in the air. They are also putting out information on where the radio transmitters are and about having long wave in case there is a communications break down during a big eruption. It's so hard to shift from being amazed by nature to realising that this is peoples home and they and their families could be in danger. I don't know if I could live there, certainly shows how landscape shapes it's people, was it OYBBK who quoted and Icelander saying matter of factly 'well then they die' if they get badly injured when the roads are cut off and the weather is bad. They must be a tough nation (but terrible at banking Wink).

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/09/2014 09:09

We stayed in Reyðarfirði where people are now being advised to stay indoors. It is dominated by an aluminium smelting plant. It's a large place by icelandic standards (around 1200 people live there)

This is what is on the RUV website now:
Radio broadcasts during natural disasters

'Should natural disaster or other circumstances have an impact on the Icelandic electricity system and inhibit electricity distribution, regular FM-radio transitions will be severely limited. RUV‘s distribution network is powered by electricity. Only a portion has backup generators. Hence, the primary distribution on radio will be on long wave (LW). Many modern radios do not receive long wave but car radios often do. It is also advisable to have a small, battery-powered LW-radio at hand in case of emergency as RUV radio is the primary method of conveying information from Civil Protection Authorities.'

Shock

They are worried about a couple of large geothermal power plants being wiped out by flood.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/09/2014 09:31

Have to admit I'm getting quite concerned for people in Iceland now. Any large scale eruption would be so much worse coming at this time of year. It hadn't occurred to me that power supply could be an issue. We met so many lovely kind people as we stayed in small guesthouses where the hosts sit and share breakfast and coffee with you and to think of how they must be feeling at present.

LavaDragonflies · 13/09/2014 13:31

Me too, farmers are now rounding up sheep, people are having to stay indoors, they have been advised to keep heat in ovens and so this is now having an impact on their health, jobs and money as well as their quality of life.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/09/2014 13:41

The ovens things is a little bit of a mistranslation, they mean turn radiators on. But yes, you are right.

LavaDragonflies · 13/09/2014 14:07

D'oh, I meant to correct that and forgot! Thanks OYBBK.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/09/2014 15:43

Grin it did seem like a slightly bizarre instruction at first reading!

BardarbungaBardarbing · 13/09/2014 15:53

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RedToothBrush · 13/09/2014 18:26

Hmm more activity at ANOTHER volcano!

volcanocafe.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/rapid-inflation-at-grimsvotn/

Big bad Bardarbunga seems to be linked up to all of them!

LavaDragonflies · 13/09/2014 18:57

One day (soon?) something big is going to happen in Iceland and Joe Public are going to be all 'We had no idea this was going to happen?' and be all Shock about it aren't they? Not in Iceland of course, but in the UK.

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