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Starting weaning tomorrow - help!

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Writerwannabe83 · 20/09/2014 15:43

DS is EBF and he is 6 months old tomorrow. We are going to begin the weaning process but don't really know how to go about it!!

We are giving him mashed/puréed carrots but how much am I supposed to give and when? Does he need to be restricted to one or two spoonfuls or do I let him have as many as he wants?

And should he be on one 'meal' a day or more???

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KirstyM2014 · 20/09/2014 16:48

I have been told to start with maybe 4/5 small spoonfuls to start with once a day about 30muns before milk then in 2nd week maybe mix up foods but still once a day then in 3rd week to up to twice a day so lunch and dinner then up what they eat accordingly xx

Artandco · 20/09/2014 16:52

I was always told and did opposite of above.

Feed baby milk 30 mins before food so they aren't starving when you offer. You want them to be happy, not stressed as hungry and can't get food quick enough

I then baby led so just gave ie stick of cooked carrot/ half banana etc and let them eat what they wanted and leave what they didn't

sunnyrosegarden · 20/09/2014 16:56

I used the Annabel Karmel weaning book and found it very reassuring first time round. It sets out a routine for you.

From memory, we did lunch first - late morning. So, he'd had a milk feed at 11am and I introduced the solids at 11.45ish.

Writerwannabe83 · 21/09/2014 16:02

Just tried giving DS some mushy carrot and he vomited absolutely everywhere after his second spoon Confused

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Littlef00t · 21/09/2014 18:36

I think it's because with purée they suck it like milk, but because it is thicker it makes them gag and vomit.

As ds is 6 months, and has a bit more hand coordination you might want to offer a carrot baton? Put it in his hand and see if he'll munch in it. He might surprise you!

WeGotThere · 21/09/2014 19:50

My DS is 24 weeks and we decided to start very, very slowly yesterday. He sucked a roasted carrot chip a bit then threw it on the floor. He opened his mouth for the spoon of mashed carrot and moved it around his mouth until it was all gone (as in back out the way it came in!) so we're counting it a great success!

Today he did pretty much exactly the same except a teeny tiny amount of the mashed butternut squash may have gone down.

We just chose something from what we were having to give him in both solid and mashed form to see what he prefers. He was fairly amused by the experience and my 2.5yr old DD kept cheering and clapping for him every time the food hit his mouth!

Writerwannabe83 · 21/09/2014 20:19

So I just give him a carrot stick to eat? How will he not choke on it?

I really don't understand BLW Sad

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AnythingNotEverything · 21/09/2014 20:30

Honestly, he just won't. Keep it big and cook it longer than you would for yourself.

His gag reflex is much further foward in his mouth than yours or mine, and so food comes back out before it gets anywhere near choking. Have a good google about blw and gag reflexes.

One meal a day is good to start with. Introduce new foods at lunchtime so you have chance to spot any possible allergic reaction before bed.

Apple and pear make good sticks to grip. Soften them in hot water in the microwave.

Gill Rapley does a good blw book cookbook.

There is honestly no need to purée anything. If you don't want to blw, baby can probably manage fork mashed texture. It's also fine to offer mashed food and finger food like carrot etc. There is no weaning police Grin

Artandco · 21/09/2014 20:48

Yes try steaming carrot and give him a bit to try. Cut carrot into half then half again so he has large batons to hold. Then he can only chew off what he is able.

Same with all fruits and veg

Chunk of avocado or banana good to try ( although slippery avocado!). Same again give bit piece ie half banana so he can hold and suck pieces off

lisaloulou84 · 21/09/2014 20:50

I liked the Annabel Karmel book. It really helped with the schedule. I stared with baby rice at just over 5 months made with his formula milk so that it was familiar and then carried on for a couple of weeks with baby rice or baby porridge, then started introducing veg and fruit at lunch and then worked up to dinner. With every new food to start with a mixed in a bit Of his milk to get it to the texture of yoghurt.

I've been introducing milk, cheese and meat and finger food since about 3 weeks ago and he's now 7 months and a week and last few days we are going lumpy. He's eaten everything I've ever given him and were now on textured roasts and 3 meals within 2 months by following her tips.

My schedule looks a little something like this -

6.45- milk

7.30- breakfast - baby porridge

10.30/11 - milk

12/12.30-lunch - some kind of veg mix and a yoghurt followed by a few bits of finger food (cucumber, apple, rice cake, or today a strawberry!)

3/3.30- milk

4/4.30 - dinner - tonight a roast and rice pudding and some puréed pear and blueberry

7 - bedtime milk

It took me a while to get this schedule right where he wasn't starving or tired when I sat him down for food. I also fed him in his bouncy chair for probably the first 4 weeks and switched to the high chair. But if you start similarly and have milk at where we have lunch and dinner for now, you should get on ok. My friend has just started on a similar schedule and he's doing well after 2 weeks.

ByTheWishingWell · 21/09/2014 21:01

If you're giving veg as a finger food, just make sure it's cooked enough that your DS can mush it up with his gums. If he doesn't like something (or just throws it up), offer something else and try again another time. DD didn't really go for carrot at first, but loved baked pear and sweet potato chips.

It doesn't do any harm to purée at first if you're more comfortable with that, or try a mixture of textures and see what he prefers.

Try not to stress about it- at this stage he doesn't really need much food, it should all just be about enjoying exploring new flavours together. And remember to take some pictures or videos of the faces he pulls for his first tastes!

Writerwannabe83 · 21/09/2014 21:04

We were filming it when he vomited everywhere Grin

I've got some parsnip in the fridge so could I boil that so it goes really soft and then just give it to him to hold?

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PenguinsIsSleepDeprived · 21/09/2014 21:07

To understand BLW, you really need to understand a bit more about the physiology of learning to eat. (Apologies in advance if you know this)

Taking in very smooth purees is of limited use to learning to take other foods. Imagine you are drinking a drink through a straw, you basically suck it to the back of your mouth, you don't move it around it.

Now you can still do this (though it wouldn't be great table manners) with slightly thicker foods, like yoghurt. However, at some point, you are going to need to learn to move food around your mouth too. It makes more sense in some ways for the baby to learn to move things around their mouth as a first step and then work up to swallowing, rather than mimicking milk swallowing and then having to learn a new technique part way through weaning. So even with conventional weaning, you are generally advised to give finger foods alongside from six months to assist with this learning process.

When babies were weaned at 3 or 4 months (or, like me, 10 weeks Shock), you needed very runny purees. With a much bigger baby you don't.

With BLW, or finger foods you give alongside purees, what you are doing is assisting the process of learning to move food around the mouth. They will swallow very little to start with, and the gag reflex is very far forward on the tongue. You obviously don't give anything very hard, but cooked carrot sticks, toast fingers, broccoli, cucumber, banana, etc are all good.

On volumes, you don't need to worry at all if your baby is demand bf (which I think I remember he is?). Just let him eat what he eats and continue to feed on demand. For example, I did BLW with both of mine. Sometimes I offered food twice in a day, sometimes once. They didn't much care. I added breakfast last as it was the meal they were least interested in.

HTH a bit.

ByTheWishingWell · 21/09/2014 21:08

Excellent, I'm sure he'll be delighted that you have that on video when he's older!

Any veg is fine really, parsnip might be a bit of a strong taste, but definitely worth a go. If you have a steamer, steaming would be better because boiling loses some of the nutrients.

PenguinsIsSleepDeprived · 21/09/2014 21:09

Cross post. Not really soft no. In fact, really soft can be hard to hold.

Parsnip is actually fab if you cook it in the oven as it develops a bit of a skin so keeps its shape, but goes soft-ish inside. If he is late on teeth (mine had none at weaning), cutting the top off can help them get inside each 'stick'.

Writerwannabe83 · 21/09/2014 21:11

Thank you penguin - that was really helpful Flowers

I'm going to go and buy a steamer tomorrow!!!

Another stupid question - if I give him some toast can I use normal butter or does it have to be something baby friendly?

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PenguinsIsSleepDeprived · 21/09/2014 21:16

Unsalted butter is better, just because you want to watch salt intake. I know it sounds foul to us, but they don't tend to care about dry toast either.

Broccoli is good because it comes with a 'handle'.

PenguinsIsSleepDeprived · 21/09/2014 21:17

Oh, and the favourite bits of toast for my two at the start were fingers of probably about half the length of the slice with a fair bit of crust. The instinct is to cut the crust off, but it helps it to hold its shape as they gnaw on it (and whack it on the table and their own head).

Artandco · 21/09/2014 21:21

Btw, just put a metro collider over regular saucepan with water and balance a saucepan lid on. No need to buy an actual steamer if you don't use regularly. Above will steam exactly the same

Writerwannabe83 · 21/09/2014 21:27

Thanks everyone I'm feeling much more positive now!!!

I love parsnip cooked in the oven so I think I'll do myself some as well as DS Smile

I was always against BLW because I thought it would be a complete faff and really complicated but after all your replies and ideas I'm quite keen to give it a go Grin

I like the sound of giving him some apple slices to suck on too Smile

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PenguinsIsSleepDeprived · 21/09/2014 21:34

Do you want any more random tips?

I have found, as have lots of my friends, that if you give them loads they are overwhelmed and often chuck it all on the floor. Often 2-3 pieces (whether of the same food or different) is better. Then top up if they finish it.

Stick some form of mat on the floor so you are happy to reuse dropped food!

Things which keep their shape are good to start with: cucumber sticks with skin on, roasted parsnip, toast with crust, pitta (if he has teeth!), broccoli, cooked baby corn, potato wedges.

What I will do this time is give the baby the bits of what we eat that are suitable for him. Eg. if we are eating chicken, potato and veg, I might purposefully do the potato as wedges and some veg that can be picked up easily. If we had sausage and mash I'd fill a few spoons with mash and put them on the high chair whilst we ate.

PassTheCremeEggs · 21/09/2014 21:38

The whole point of BLW is that it isn't a faff at all - you just give them what you're having. Purees are the faff!

The logic behind it is that with purees babies learn to swallow before chewing, therefore lots have difficulties when you come to lumpy stuff. BLW babies learn to chew before swallowing (it may be a few weeks before the food actually gets as far as the stomach!) so you rarely get choking problems.

I puree weaned my first and she's a terrible eater. As soon as we got to lumpy things she got so fussy. BLW my second and he eats absolutely everything. May we'll be a coincidence but wish I'd BLW my first too.

Writerwannabe83 · 21/09/2014 21:39

The more random tips the better!!!!

I made the mistake of passing comment on my FB page about the nightmare that was DS's first attempt at solids and so now everyone is coming at me with their 'advice' Hmm There is an undercurrent amongst the conversation of mothers trying to compete with each other about who's doing it right and who's baby is 'better' at taking solids Hmm

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ByTheWishingWell · 21/09/2014 21:46

Don't get sucked in to the competition, just go at your own pace. You'll quickly find what works best for you and your DS.

I used www.homemade-baby-food-recipes.com/index.html (sorry, can't work out how to do links on my phone!), which has loads of recipes and ideas for both purées and BLW. My DD is nearly 13 months, and I'm still finding it useful, most recently for super-healthy baby ice cream.

ByTheWishingWell · 21/09/2014 21:47

Ah, apparently I can do links on my phone...