Are some professions more likely to have trans-identified children?

[Niminy]

Do some occupational groups have a higher percentage of parents of trans-identified children? Following on from Sunderland Minster thread I was thinking that I could immediately think of five clergy with trans-identified children. I'm sure there are more but I got kicked out of a big fb group for being a Terf. Actors, journalist -- this is well known. Are there others? Academics, perhaps? And what makes some groups more susceptible?

They noted that trans kids are not evenly distributed among society. From memory when looking at the parents/families of trans kids,

The higher middle classes are over represented.

Chaotic families who have regular contact with social services or children in care are over represented.

Those with older parents are over represented.

Those from ethnic minorities are under represented.

I didn’t say I’m a better parent than you. I suspect you’re projecting a bit. I think I’m a better parent than the sort of parents who affirm their child’s delusions. Apparently that’s not you so that’s ok then isn’t it.

Whats your point? What about them?

Fair enough, but also not fair enough.

How many of us tune into something on the back of a small conversation?

If a parent who is confronted with this issue reads this thread, they will find at least 10 different opinions.

This is a good thing, especially as the last decade was filled with silence, threats that children would die, affirm only, #nodebate, cancellations and so on.

I really do take your point about the pressure families are under, especially the idea of heavy or sneery criticisms. That is never easy. I have been on the end of it for an entirely different reason.

I have good news for you.

This is incorrect - she’s statistically much more likely to be attacked than someone cis?

Easy on ffs.

The op asked a casual question on a casual forum in the section that lasts 30 days.

Why hold her feet to the fire as if she is at a scientific conference or some such.

She can muse, and throw it out there if she wants.

Others can participate if they want.

You can leave if you want.

And so on.

Please see source here https://www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

as far as I know, and I wish it were different, these data are not in dispute

I hate the way trans id and sexual orientation is lumped in together. This kind of forced teaming is really offensive to same sex attracted people - the LGB.

Anything coming from the CPS can and should be disputed, until verified by a reliable source.

The OP themselves said they regret starting the thread, so it’s not just me saying it’s inappropriate.
There’s a fundamental
misconception meaning that the whole premise is flawed. The OP stated Yes, I agree that having a trans-identified child means you have a vested interest in promoting gender ideology

Those who are close to those w T ID children recognise that in many cases it’s the exact opposite - those w children facing these problems want an end to the transification of distress. However many people on here are listing families they know, but probably not very well, turning playground gossip into criticism of parents they know little about (they didn’t get their kids to play enough sport, they let them spend too much time on their iPads, they neglected their children, they’re too middle class). It’s proliferating ignorance and is hurtful to those who have tried so hard to redirect their children’s anguish.
It feels like trans children’s parents are today’s baddie, and are fair game for criticism. Would people be as comfortable seeing the parents of self harming children up for such vilification?
And now I shall join @0livesandcheeseand bow out.

A lot of tantrums and stropping off, I'm beginning to see which parent some children have inherited their 'over the top performance' gene from.

They are giving antidotes from their direct circle.

Nobody, as far as I can see, has identified young Johnny Smith who lives in 22 Mount Street, Peckham.

It feels like trans children’s parents are today’s baddie, and are fair game for criticism.

I actually see the push back as HELP for parents whose kids have gender identity issues. I really do.

This moment is taking the issue out of the hands of activists, whose hyperbole has done serious harm. Especially to the parents as they are told they only option is affirm.

But also @HappilyHarriet , if anyone is going to make a claim that their child can, and has, changed sex, they really need a thicker skin than you are displaying here.

After all, it is a huge claim, one that is, for the moment, scientifically impossible, as far as I am aware.

Therefore, a lot of people will question it. And a lot of people will question why a child has been told that black is actually white.

*Antidotes??? 😁

Anecdote!

But being autistic doesn’t automatically make you trans.
However I think we’ve seen evidence that when unhappy autistic girls are persuaded that the problem is that they are in the ‘wrong body’ and they are welcomed into a community by determined TRA teaching staff, this leads to suspected social contagion and high levels of trans kids.

My kids went to an academic independent school with a high % of neurodiverse students yet only 1-2 students out of 1000 were trans (neither had surgery and one detransitioned in 6th form). The school was inclusive but didn’t push gender identity as a big thing (no celebration of pride or LGBTQ club) instead focused on sport and hobbies.

I didn’t say being autistic automatically makes you trans.

But very high numbers of trans people are autistic.

Fairly sure, statistically, children in care were overrepresented.

Julie Bindel has written about the spike in GIDS referrals of looked after children in Blackpool. It's more evidence of social contagion.

https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/why-do-so-many-girls-in-blackpool-a6a

I’d say you’re more valuable than ever then ❤️ good luck!

Do people affirm anorexics delusion and agree they are fat and yes they should have liposuction? No. Same with alcoholics etc. That's the point of issue here.

There is zero actual true evidence that trans are more likely to be attacked than actual women and girls. Zero.

And that's the point isn't it, that most 'trans' children are autistic, and the fact it's the autism and it's not that they are actually trans but autistic, that is being overlooked.

Ok so no actual data on physical 'attacks'.

The fact that some transwomen are rightly called out if they use the wrong (female) toilets is now considered 'harassment'. The fact of the matter is that when you consider anything other than 100% affirmation and getting their own way 100% of the time in everything 'harassment', the data is bullshit and absolutely unreliable. A male being told 'NO' is not 'harassment'. This is why the (self-reported) data is completely unreliable. Trans will say being told no is 'harassment' and 'transphobic'. Common sense says that is bullshit. It brings to mind this meme:

Yes. The truth is too hard for some to handle. So they close their ears and minds and run. The cognitive dissonance of what they've done is too much, they can't allow themselves to have an awakening. Sunk cost fallacy and all that.

You haven’t read it properly - it states physical
snd sexual assault. Here is another source, below. My child is a trans man and I fear them being raped by someone who discovers this. Have you seen the film Boys Don’t Cry? (Based on a true story - where there is a gang rape). I haven’t stropped off. I’ve found your insensitivity quite upsetting. Whatever your views on trans, why would you be so dismissive of a parents fears for their child? I thought the OPs original question was worth responding too, but wouldn’t have chosen to engage in a debate about trans.

https://www.surrey.ac.uk/news/trans-people-and-cisgender-gay-men-uk-are-most-likely-experience-violence

I think there is a big difference between the traditional cross dressers that rebarnded as trans in the last 20 years and younger people who now identify as trans of non binary.

The first cohort transitioned as adult or middle aged men and, as someone who has worked in IT for 30 years let me tell you it is not anecdotal to say that they are massively over represented in IT and tech. This was the convergence of 3 things imo: 1. autism or autistic traits - already highly over represented in STEM, for obvious reasons. 2. Sudden and unrestricted access to global porn and particularly sissy porn in the late eighties/early nineties, which these men would have been enthusiastic and early users of, way before the general public routinely used the Internet, resulting in a generation of men in their 50s, 60s, 70s now who literally fried their brains with weird porn (trust me, I saw this happen, sometimes before my own eyes) and 3. Men being from a time when they often still had very homophobic and/or religious parents and didnt feel able to be openly gay.

That is very different from the ones that now idemtify as trans or non binary as teenagers or, even children now, horrifyingly. That again seems to have an autism component but more so to me, especially with the girls, a trauma component or unhappy, bullied, kids that dont fit in etc. I fit that category as a teen and we became goths and emos. Non binary especially seems very much the new goth/emo to me. I guess trans is a step further and I don't know enough trans kids to have an opinion there other than that the ones I do know very much fit the middle class alienated and on the spectrum mould. I know its upsetting and unpalatable for parents with trans identified kids but, as with my parents, I very much wish these children were offered specialist counselling rather than just having a damaging outlook on life accepted, affirmed or, even worse, celebrated.