Are some professions more likely to have trans-identified children?

[Niminy]

Do some occupational groups have a higher percentage of parents of trans-identified children? Following on from Sunderland Minster thread I was thinking that I could immediately think of five clergy with trans-identified children. I'm sure there are more but I got kicked out of a big fb group for being a Terf. Actors, journalist -- this is well known. Are there others? Academics, perhaps? And what makes some groups more susceptible?

I think it’s worth looking at. And I’m not blaming any parents here as I know that there many who feel caught between a rock and a hard place and are going through a horrendous time with it all. But in my working class circle there is not one child who wants to be trans. Not a single one. Why is that?

Pretty much any question you ask on Mumsnet, Reddit or any other forum is going to be replies “from just a load of randoms”, or had you not noticed before?

Had meant to quote this from @HappilyHarriet above ⬆️

I come to this section of MN for facts - events, updates on cases, parliamentary debates, gardening etc. it keeps me up to date with what is happening, and of course the discourse on those events.
As the OP has realised, this thread has been set up on the mistaken premise that someone can draw any conclusions from just inviting randoms to talk about the families they know with children who ID as trans. So people are responding to OP’s invitation by telling tales of the little they know of other people’s families in a way that is meaningless in the context. Not their own experiences - what they believe other peoples to be. I don’t think that’s ’in the spirit’ and if OP genuinely regrets sending out this invitation for a gossip free for all they should request that it be deleted.

Read a pp and decided to withdraw

I think it's a subject that should have been looked into more thoroughly by now. We've seen such a sharp rise in gender questioning children. If there was any other sudden change like this in children's mental health it would be getting massive research grants to see what the different factors that lead to this social contagion are.

I am rubbish at keeping receipts but I recall that the Tavistock Clinic found that kids who are confused about their gender are much more likely to have a convicted sex offender as a parent. Possibly they were 10 times more likely to have a sex offender as a parent. Hopefully someone more on the ball will have the exact figure.

This is obviously not to say that all parents of gender confused kids are dodgy. What is clear is that lots of kids who are confused are autistic, same-sex attracted, survivors of abuse or a combination of those three things.

I know a working class family with a trans child. Mum had many kids by many men who then fucked off. She also had an evening cleaning job.

At one point in the family there was a 15 year old boy, a 12 year old girl and 3 under 10s.

15 year old boy would play football in the evenings with his mates whilst 12 year old girl stayed at home, cooked, cleaned and put the 3 little ones to bed.

And then 12 year old girl became 14 year old girl who decided she was a boy. I have no idea what went on in the girl’s head but there is part of me that thinks “well that’s bloody clever!”

(In case you are wondering the reason I know about the whole cook,
clean, care etc is because the 12 year old’s dad went on about it on Facebook. His concern for his children (one of the U10s was also his) didn’t reach as far as having them to live with him or actually pay regular maintenance but you can’t have everything!)

That doesn't mean people need to completely turn off their critical thinking skills and not realise why they might hear more about celebrity's kids than other people's kids, or why if your kids go to private school and so do all their friends, you might know a lot of trans kids in private school etc.

That poor girl.
I’m not saying there are no working class kids presenting as trans but it’s much rarer.

I am with olives and cheese. I love my trans child, I don’t love that she is trans. I’m proud she has the courage to live her convictions but why would I feel excited or happy she’s statistically much more likely to be attacked than someone cis?

Niminy, I can also see you were musing and didn’t mean any offence.

And working class trans people are out there. There are trans people in every walk of life and identifying as trans for diverse reasons.

Do you have any statistics to back this up or is it just an assumption?

I don't think I did actually invite people to gossip. I asked a general question, wondering if someone had actually looked into this. I didn't invite anyone to speculate about other people's parenting. I asked about occupational groups, and I speculated that there might be a pattern there. I might ask MN to delete but it irks me that we cannot have a general sociological discussion on this board.

Oh dear. I’m sorry. I thought I was just chatting a bit of nonsense but I can see this is not ok. I apologise @niminy for being part of what sent the thread in the wrong direction.

@SueKeeper in fact I know trans people from precisely those high energy sporty families.

There are serious things to be said in my view about where identity changes do cluster but I’m not going to try and do it now, nor am I an expert.

I'm not sure how this backs up statements like social workers are statistically likely to have Trans kids...

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It’s based on my circles. Do you have any statistics to dispute it?

Perhaps the question can be reframed? It is interesting, but not if we’re just grasping at straws.

That said, hypotheses get tested and lead to increased knowledge. Someone somewhere started wondering about the link with autism, and the link with ACE. Closer inspection seems to back it up.

You started the thread by saying that you know 5 clergy with Trans ID children. It’s not helpful data, it’s neither qualitative nor quantitative. Subsequent posters have just followed your lead and posted about the trans ID children they know, so we have the comments like ‘it’s never the children who ….’
So it’s all just unsubstantiated meaningless gossip, set up by your OP.
if you are really interested in pursuing this enquiry I suggest you ask for the thread to be pulled and re start it, framing it around reliable representative data sources - are there any, are they up to date, are they available for non medics, what conclusions can we draw from them, what information is missing, how could that information be obtained, why would it be helpful.

Fairly sure, statistically, children in care were overrepresented.

I imagine towns like Brighton have a higher proportion of children transitioning because of the demographic that lives there and the education the children receive in schools.

I imagine, with any social contagion, there’s a lot of luck involved in which school you go to and who is in your class.

I am incredibly thankful my daughter wasn’t exposed early as she’s a butch lesbian. Fairly sure she could have been influenced easily as she is now fully in thrall to transactivism, but fortunately never fell into the trap of wanting to transition. I hope it stays that way. There but for the grace of God, as they say.

So stop.

Why?

The data is in. This movement/trend causes harm.

And it grabbed a hold because of sentiments like "you have absolutely no idea of the conversations that have been going on within that situation, so aren’t in a position to draw any meaningful conclusions, only gossip and hearsay. It’s unpleasant."

The exact opposite needs to happen - talk, shine light, question.

Oh no, don’t tell me that. I’m training to be one. In an area of the country with one of the most batshit TRA MPs and a local GIDS.

Shine a light on accurate, reliable, complete information, sure. Or identifying a lack of such info and exploring ways to obtain statistically reliable info, no problem. Shining a light on ‘My children have 3 trans ID kids in their school and their Dads are all refuse collectors/surgeons/B list celebrities’ doesn’t shine a light on anything, it’s just putting children and families into a gossip mill.

The reason there are loads of trans kids in Cambridge is that there are loads of autistic people in Cambridge.

As a pp says, a very high proportion of trans kids are neurodivergent. Neurodiversity is genetic. Many high achieving academics (of which there are loads in Cambridge) are neurodivergent and their kids will be going to Hills Road.

Yes, I hadn’t had a chance to read the whole thread before poor Olive left due to some awful comments. But I was going to say, I have a trans (adult) child but not middle-class or a troubled childhood. My grandfather was a carpenter though - like Olive’s DH so “obviously” that must be it! Not very scientific.

The thread seems to have touched a lot of nerves.

This gem from @silenceinthemind may not have helped 😔

“Plus IT workers (unfortunately) = early and unrestricted and unregulated access to the Internet and all and any porn.”