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likelysuspect · 21/04/2026 22:58

politicsdomyheadin · 21/04/2026 22:49

My dad smoked from age 13 up to age 60. The draw on the NHS now from his heart condition, AAA and COPD far outweighs the tax receipts.

How do you know? Id be interested in where the tipping point is

Cherryicecreamx · 21/04/2026 23:00

CraftyNavySeal · 21/04/2026 20:59

I vehemently disagree with the principle.

Either they are adults or they aren’t. They are old enough to join the army and pay taxes so they are old enough to smoke if they want to. We can’t have a second class of adults who aren’t allowed to do some things for the rest of their lives because the government says no.

Agree. Of course it's not healthy but we should be given a choice as an adult if they are being sold. Seems unfair that some adults can buy it and others can't.

PyongyangKipperbang · 21/04/2026 23:01

politicsdomyheadin · 21/04/2026 22:49

My dad smoked from age 13 up to age 60. The draw on the NHS now from his heart condition, AAA and COPD far outweighs the tax receipts.

Not true. And a quick google will tell you that. Smokers pay four to five times more in tax than they take out of the NHS.

EarlofShrewsbury · 21/04/2026 23:01

Terrribletwos · 21/04/2026 20:31

I saw 2 kids today with vapes and they definitely looked about 13/14 years old so somebody is selling them.

I work in a vape store.

The amount of parents that come in trying to buy for their underage children is actually quite shocking.

PyongyangKipperbang · 21/04/2026 23:04

EarlofShrewsbury · 21/04/2026 23:01

I work in a vape store.

The amount of parents that come in trying to buy for their underage children is actually quite shocking.

Not to me. Worked in a supermarket in Covid and there was a very high number of parents trying to buy the age restricted version of Prime for their kids. In the defence of some, they didnt actually know that there was an "energy" one and a non "energy" one but most did know and didnt care.

OnlyOneAdda · 21/04/2026 23:06

Totally against this. Have DC born in 2009 - they don’t smoke / vape and I hope they never will be still vehemently against them being told they cannot do something as adults that other adults a few months older can?!

I hate Nanny State and it doesn’t work. Sugar tax? Massive spike in sweetener laden chemical filled energy drinks - much worse than a lemonade!

To all the people complaining about breathing in smoke passively…well then the new laws should be about smoking and vaping in public places not telling soon to be adults they can’t do something for the rest of their adult lives that loads of other adults can do freely.

humptydumptyfelloff · 21/04/2026 23:07

Blows my mind that we are gradually turning into a country that dictates to us as humans what we can and can’t actually do now!

if they’re going to ban smoking when will it end?
alcohol? Because let’s be honest that causes huge social issues unlike smoking cigarettes ,
or we could start banning anyone eating anything processed? Sugar?voffee?

it’s as ridiculous as that really.

as posters above have stated this generation don’t smoke?they vape.

which is alarmingly creating many health issues for younger generations so surely that will present itself in the a and e and hospitals etc and we will have a generation of young ill people.

Heartbreaker101 · 21/04/2026 23:08

Hate smokers with all my heart and all my soul but not sure how I feel about this, it is giving nanny state.

also if they going to do this why not do something about alcohol too, kills and destroys lives of millions. DUIs, etc Causes cancer too. Maybe limit it at least

NoisyHiker · 21/04/2026 23:08

elliejjtiny · 21/04/2026 20:05

Good news. My asthma has improved so much since it stopped being socially acceptable to smoke in public. It used to be everywhere when I was young.

Mine has gotten noticably worse now that every summer seems to bring clouds of weed smoke if I dare set foot in the garden or into town on a sunny day.

TheKittenswithMittens · 21/04/2026 23:09

The irony is, weed will become legal at the time that tobacco becomes illegal.

Heartbreaker101 · 21/04/2026 23:13

tarheelbaby · 21/04/2026 21:36

I think outlawing it so that 90% follow that rule which then decreases the overall activity. Murder is banned. It still happens but (somewhat) less than if it were not prohibited ... Most people decide for themselves that murder is not worth it ...

In principle, I totally agree that smoking/vaping is bad. Lungs were designed to breath air - nothing more, nothing less. Anything else is harmful to them.

Smokers/vapers have proven that they can choose their time/location so should be able not to indulge inside a car just as they can currently wait until they're outside a building.
BUT
Having spent a lot of time with teens, how can this possibly be enforced for the coming teens? Even the current restriction '18+ only' is impossible to enforce.
(Alcohol/bad food is a personal choice and does not affect the immediate vicinity: if someone is drinking, it does not make me drunk but if someone is smoking/vaping, I have to breathe that too, especially in an enclosed space.)

Alcohol absolutely affects others

DUIs alone affect many

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/04/2026 23:21

Minnie798 · 21/04/2026 19:25

The generation this affects don't smoke anyway.

They do. It’s apparently seen as posh now due to high cost. My dd isn’t affected by the ban. But only just.

Fizbosshoes · 21/04/2026 23:44

Im.intrigued how it will work, with other age restricted products there is a set age, usually 18. Its easy to tell when someone is significantly younger, or older, than 18 (eg 12 or 50) but lots of people in their 20s might be asked for ID.
But with this the boundary is always moving - in 30 years for example are people who look around 45 going to be asked for ID ....?

Lougle · 22/04/2026 00:19

Under 17s aren't being banned from buying cigarettes when they get to 18. The legal age will rise to 19 on 01/01/2027. Then it will rise to 20 on 01/01/2028, then 21 on 01/01/2029, etc. It effectively bans those born on or after 01/01/2009 from buying them, but only because they aren't (and never will be) old enough at any given point.

The cigarette industry isn't a fair game. We know that cigarettes are highly addictive. We know that nicotine reaches the brain within 10-20 seconds of smoke inhalation, and we know that addiction can be formed within days. The only way to stop it is to literally stop people ever using it.

Some people will still acquire cigarettes but that isn't a reason not to try and save a generation. There are literally no benefits to smoking that can't be achieved by healthier, cheaper, means.

Soon it will be obvious if someone has illegally acquired cigarettes because of their age. That will reduce (not stop) the number of smokers in public. Other things will replace them but we will see a shift in behaviour.

Single use vapes are already illegal and the new bill is going to bring in restrictions on packaging and flavours of vapes. People shouldn't be expecting tutti-frutti and getting lung disease.

Givinguponmyhair · 22/04/2026 00:28

It's morally wrong.

Its like saying sexism in the workplace is okay provided it is being carried out by people born before 1970.

Either you are a citizen or you aren't.

What if they said only people born before 2005 can drink coke?

Lougle · 22/04/2026 00:31

Givinguponmyhair · 22/04/2026 00:28

It's morally wrong.

Its like saying sexism in the workplace is okay provided it is being carried out by people born before 1970.

Either you are a citizen or you aren't.

What if they said only people born before 2005 can drink coke?

It's setting an achievable date to extend an existing limit on smoking age. There are lots of examples where a set date is used to bring about a change in law. Setting an advance date for the law change allows current 16/17 year olds to understand that it will never be legal for them to smoke, so it may help them to decide not to borrow cigarettes from friends who are already 18.

Blahblahblahabla · 22/04/2026 00:44

As a smoker very pleased! Hideous addiction and wish I had never started

PyongyangKipperbang · 22/04/2026 00:57

Its a sop to all the the "I hate all smokers, it should be banned" lot. It means sod all.

Hardly anyone under the age of 30 smokes these days as it is unaffordable. As a PP said, anyone who does smoke amongst young people is considered posh and rich as its so expensive.

They all vape, and there is no mention of vapes being under the same limitations. And vapes will still be here, and kids will still buy them.

As I said above all it is doing is appeasing the pearl clutchers, it will do bugger all in real terms. But hey, if you buy into it, go you.

sickofsixseven · 22/04/2026 01:31

This is ridiculous. I dont smoke or vape, and hate the smell of it, but grown adults should be allowed to do it if they want. Talk about a nanny state. Prohibition doesn't work and will only create a massive black market.

sickofsixseven · 22/04/2026 01:37

Soon it will be obvious if someone has illegally acquired cigarettes because of their age. That will reduce (not stop) the number of smokers in public. Other things will replace them but we will see a shift in behaviour.

Is anyone supposed to care that a fully grown adult illegally acquired cigarettes? Is this something you expect police to be wasting their time on?

Contrarymary30 · 22/04/2026 02:00

CraftyNavySeal · 21/04/2026 20:59

I vehemently disagree with the principle.

Either they are adults or they aren’t. They are old enough to join the army and pay taxes so they are old enough to smoke if they want to. We can’t have a second class of adults who aren’t allowed to do some things for the rest of their lives because the government says no.

I agree with you . What will they try to ban next . It's strange that alcohol,which is far more destructive to health gets a free pass .

PyongyangKipperbang · 22/04/2026 02:04

sickofsixseven · 22/04/2026 01:37

Soon it will be obvious if someone has illegally acquired cigarettes because of their age. That will reduce (not stop) the number of smokers in public. Other things will replace them but we will see a shift in behaviour.

Is anyone supposed to care that a fully grown adult illegally acquired cigarettes? Is this something you expect police to be wasting their time on?

Yes, some people (quite a lot on MN I think) really will expect that.

Fast forward 10 years....."AIBU to call the police because my 24 year old neighbour is smoking?!" with the caveat that its not about the illegal fags really, but because the smoke is going through her young childs bedroom window.

Bloodycrossstitch · 22/04/2026 02:34

Givinguponmyhair · 22/04/2026 00:28

It's morally wrong.

Its like saying sexism in the workplace is okay provided it is being carried out by people born before 1970.

Either you are a citizen or you aren't.

What if they said only people born before 2005 can drink coke?

That not really a fair comparison

There’s already a legal minimum age to buy cigarettes. There’s already a large portion of the population that cant buy cigarettes.

All they’re doing is incrementally increasing that minimum legal age that already exists

LilyBunch25 · 22/04/2026 07:24

Dalmationday · 21/04/2026 22:32

What’s the difference between people who get ill health from choosing to drink, who get ill health from choosing to smoke and who get ill health from choosing to eat badly? It’s all a choice that person has made to decline their own health.
Why are you deciding to be offended by the fact that fat people have chosen to get fat and are statically likely to be a burden on nhs in the same way smokers and drinkers and drug takers are??

Are you fat and happen to believe it’s an accident so you’re fine with the comment about smokers and drinkers being a choice but fat is not something someone has contributed to…??

Edited

You really expect an intelligent response to a comment that contains "are you fat and happen to believe it's an accident"...?
If it matters so much to you, I'm an ex smoker and a social drinker who was overweight following menopause which HRT has helped my body put right- thank you NHS. I just happen to find terms and comments like yours offensive and unnecessary. HRT helped my weight issue, I'm not sure if there's a prescription for belittling people.

YeahNoCoolCrap · 22/04/2026 07:52

Heartbreaker101 · 21/04/2026 23:13

Alcohol absolutely affects others

DUIs alone affect many

I couldn't agree more.

I have never -

Been physically attacked by someone who'd smoked too many cigarettes
Been sworn at or harassed in the street by someone under the influence of cigarettes
Myself behaved badly to others because I've had one too many cigarettes
Heard of someone causing a fatal traffic accident because they'd smoked too many cigarettes

Swap alcohol for cigarettes and all of them become true.