Is it true about Charlotte Dujardin withdrawing from the Olympics?

[Freakwave897]

Or is it fake news?

It’s so disappointing if true…

I am a huge fan and can’t quite believe what I am hearing.

Scarletrunner · Today 10:32
I posted early on that this could be a foreign competitor sabotaging us and lo and behold it's a dutch person who supplied the video

WTF does it matter? She whipped an horse 24 times. I don’t care if it was filmed by Vladimir Putin.

Sorry powershowerforanhour

I meant to embolden your name below not italicise it.

I was trying to say that I couldn't agree more with your post!

Who is “us”; people who abuse horses? British people? Give your head a wobble.
Victim and whistle blower shaming is a pathetic attempt to deflect from the cause of this furore - CD’s own admission of unacceptable behaviour.

That’s incredibly sad. I always assumed they did it for rewards (food treats) ..
Very sad indeed.

Has the video suddenly emerged?

yes.

Does that mean that it’s okay?

This timing of the revelations has already been discussed on the thread. I must admit I originally thought there was malice, or at least extreme competitiveness, in the timing of the revelations but other posters have rightly pointed out that:

-if she was motivated by horse welfare the whistleblower may have timed it for maximum impact for fear of it being brushed under the carpet
-they didn’t originally know who to report to or how
-it took a while to work out that what her coach did was wrong, given that she was a young pupil and CD was a gold medal winning Olympian
-it took a while to work up the confidence to do so given that she is young

The whistleblower’s Dutch nationality could equally be coincidence because there are many Dutch and German working pupils in many British dressage yards and vice versa. dressage being a pretty small inter-connected world.

Her reporting of it might give the Dutch team an advantage but honestly it puts all of the top international dressage teams under huge scrutiny which is a good thing.

I said earlier on in the thread that I think the FEI or the chef d’equipe of every equestrian sport taking part, or the Olympic Committee, should make every equestrian competitor swear on oath, under the gaze of the camera, that no cruel training methods were used when schooling their horses, before they are allowed to compete.

It matters because the supposedly concerned owners of the video waited 2years to make it public -if they were concerned about the horse they’d immediately make it public - horses may have had 2years of cruelty -those who owned the video care about Dutch gold medals over horses.
Makes me suspect whip use is quite common.

I posted early on that this could be a foreign competitor sabotaging us and lo and behold it's a dutch person who supplied the video

The abuser has done this. No one else has sabotaged anything. The amount of minimising and blaming others, who are not the animal abuser, on this thread is disgusting.

Dressage ''Not in my name'' either!

I honestly had no idea as to the levels of abuse that go down in these 'top' Dressage yards.

Horses are such trusting animals -and so sensitive, emotionally and physically.

Their skin is so incredibly sensitive, they can sense a couple of grammes of fly landing on them.

oh do be sensible.

The whistleblower so say ''wants to save dressage'' - maybe something is lost in translation, there.

She is a young woman who felt she couldn't speak out earlier- It would take a brave person to speak out against the ''Queen of Dressage'' -

She stated clearly that she didn't want to see CDJ getting more medals.
Allegedly the witness has seen CDJ treat other horses in a similar way.

Quite possibly the Dutch horses are trained in equally coercive ways.

Sorry about the Daily Fail link:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13675829/Top-riders-beat-horses-Dressage-trainer-denied-leaking-video-Charlotte-Dujardin-whipping-horse-like-elephant-circus-makes-shocking-damning-claims-abuse-sport.html

That’s interesting oakleaffy

I have watched some training videos by Dickinson - her “banana” theory helped me quite a bit actually. She’s good at communicating riding concepts very clearly.

Why would she withdraw the podcast in which she is discussing the issue of cruelty and abuse in dressage training though when it’s so red hot right now?

She has made it clear she’s not the whistleblower or the pupil.

Is she worried there will be a backlash as to why she didn’t report before? That doesn’t make sense though because she has encouraged everyone to speak out and surely, if there ever was a time to speak out, it’s now?

Maybe it’s because she was honest enough to admit that she previously used some dodgy training methods when she didn’t know any better, because she was taught by her elders and “betters” she thought were the experts because they were at the top of the sport and lauded with medals?

You can see how cruelty and abuse becomes inculcated so routinely in to training regimes handed down from trainer to pupil. If nothing else, this article is a good illustration of that.

@oakleaffy the Dutch are notorious. Not that that means those competing for them in Paris are using those methods, nor that you can judge on nationality. But I think the idea this is a problem unique to the UK is hugely misguided.

The Dutch lawyer has already said that the whistle blower was the girl doing the filming - not the rider.

Absolutely.

The only person responsible for what happened is Charlotte.

⬆️ this exactly, I’ll never have an ounce of sympathy for CD, because this entire carry on was down to her, her choice, she had a myriad of options open to her that didn’t involve treating this horse in this way.

If I think about it in relation to my own work, I’m responsible for ethics and professional conduct in my organisation. It’s very black and white. I can honestly say that I fashion good, ethical and proper conduct at all times. No one could catch me out demonstrating dodgy conduct, there’s nothing to see, it isn’t something I’d ever do.

CD can’t say the same, she was cruel, to an animal who has no say in the matter. I don’t care who or when brought the claim, I’m just glad that they did.

Oh I see.

So the incident took place at Dickinson’s yard and she was one of three witnesses to it but not the rider or the person who took the footage? Is that right?

Sorry I have missed a bit...Who is Dickinson?

I don’t know for sure if my summary of it is correct or not Godmum56

but see post from
oakleaffy · Today @ 15:59

Agree with pps saying that identity or nationality of whistleblower doesn’t in any shape or form take away from the fact that CD brought this on herself.

I am interested in establishing the facts bc it points to how long this has been going on and how many people knew.

@Freakwave897 I think Dickinson was one of the people watching.

Think the filmer was the young rider,s mother.

Not sure if it was at Dickinons yard.I had presumed it was at CD,s shared yard with Carl Hester but not sure.

Alicia Dickinson is by the sounds of it was some one who brought clients to CD for Dressage help.Sounds like a business relationship between CD and Dickinson. Dickinson sold packages to clients for CD to teach.
That is my understanding.
The relationship between CD and Dickinson ended the day of filming apparently.

oh her.....