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five stage vetting

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Puppymouse · 01/04/2016 19:37

I posted a while back about buying my first horse and had some very useful advice. I've since found a beautiful boy I want to buy and he's being vetted on Tuesday. I have been warned that many horses don't pass vetting and this is fairly common. The yard he's at are hopeful he will but he's 16...

My question is are there degrees of failing where you would still purchase? So if he fails on X you still go ahead but if he fails on Y you walk away? And will the vet advise whether to go ahead in these circumstances or do they have to just leave you to decide?

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Gabilan · 07/06/2016 17:43

Above all go with your instinct and do what you want to do - I know we're all busy offering you advice here as well but ignore it if it feels wrong

Indeed. So feel free to ignore what follows Smile

I'm not big on dominance and hierarchical models when understanding what horses are up to. Studies by ethologists such as Lucy Rees on feral ponies give very different interpretations of equine behaviour. And a 5-year study of zebras indicated that wild equines don't dominate each other or live in hierarchies, at least not simplistic ones. We do see aggressive behaviour in domestic horses and competition for resources, but that's more specifically tied to the conditions under which they're kept.

Dominance just doesn't make much sense to me. Humans have a clear concept of dominance. We're aggressive territorial primates and hunter-gatherers. We have the physiology and anatomy of hunters. Horses are cooperative grazing animals with the physiology and anatomy of prey animals. Dominance just uses up a lot of energy to little end when you can save energy by cooperating with each other.

Training-wise, you can get results by "dominating" a horse. If you smack it when it shies it will quite quickly learn not to shy with you (though not always, its fear of whatever it's shying at will sometimes surpass its fear of you smacking it). However, I do think that as herd animals they prefer to be around confident people, which might then be interpreted as dominating them.

So, Puppymouse, I think when you took your horse round the village and he refused to move forward, you were tense. You didn't want to go, you were with someone you perhaps don't trust that much. That tension transmitted to him. Someone in his herd was nervous - and in horse-think that means there maybe a predator around, so he was also nervous and on the alert. I'm in no way blaming you for being tense - well all get like that sometimes, it's completely natural. However, when you're dealing with a herd animal evolved to flee when it picks up on small signals, they do pick up on tension and react accordingly.

The next day you were with the yard owner who you probably trust more. You were in a better frame of mind, you were relaxed and you were on diazepam (I think, apologies if I'm wrong, I prefer gin). So you were calm and relaxed. If he was looking to you for a signal, what he was getting from you was "happy, happy, chilled". So he went through the village without an issue.

But I agree with Frosty, go with your instincts. Take time to develop a relationship with your horse that you enjoy and that's safe for both of you.

Puppymouse · 07/06/2016 18:00

Thanks all. I'm going to just take each day as it comes. The bit I'm unsure about is how to tackle when he questions me or resists. I have 50/50 split advice on give him a couple of boots and if he still doesn't go, give him a hard whack on the bum. Then the other half says give him time, stick to groundwork to build your relationship, take the pressure off and get off and lead him if he panics. Neither sit quite right I just don't know which is best. I guess it's what feels most right to me because then it will be consistent.

It was fine with yard owner because she was on her horse so he wasn't alone. I haven't tried to take him on his own since. I just don't fully trust anyone at my yard now as everyone has either recently had a bad experience with my horse (yard owner) or has had same happen to them on theirs and acted no more confidently than I did! So I'm just going to chip away. I just hate being told he doesn't respect me, he's worried, he's a shit etc because they all make me feel worse Angry

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Gabilan · 07/06/2016 18:22

Of course he's not a shit! As for any worry, I think all horses are prone to it. As you get to know each other your relationship will develop and his trust will increase. It's amazing how much they change, for the good!

frostyfingers · 07/06/2016 19:17

I've just spent 20 minutes having a chat and a cuddle with dhorse over the gate after a long day at work. 3 months ago I really don't think he would have come to talk to me, never mind stay with me and wiffle about my hair (he loves clean hair) and pockets without whacking me in the face or pushing me - it's amazing how quickly a settled routine and a one on one relationship can transform a horse. Hang in there, it will happen!

Puppymouse · 07/06/2016 19:21

That sounds lovely. He is way more interactive than my loan horse was. He'll follow me round as I poo pick. My favourite thing to do is have a "yard picnic" with DD 2.5 where we sit on the step next to his stable and he leans over and tries to convince me he likes chicken sandwiches. Or sitting cross legged in the sunshine in his field. Thank you everyone Smile

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