Bank holiday if you’re P/T and don’t work Mondays?

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Does anyone know the situation regarding entitlement to time off in lieu if you are a teacher not contracted to work on Mondays and there is an additional term time bank holiday Monday?

I acknowledge that this isn’t really in the spirit of things but I’m curious to know if it’s just the luck of the draw when it comes to days off.

Of course it’s not the same @donttellmehesalive . F/T teachers would be getting additional bank holidays that part timers would not be getting, pro rata.

My school decided that legally we were allowed pro rata time off but they’re letting us have a full day in lieu. Well, that was for the funeral but it has set a precedent for the coronation too…

I'm battling this with my school atm. My position is that I work 0.6 so should be in 60% of the time. Having Mondays off means I work two whole days over this, this year, and more than others who are on an 0.6, but have other days off. I am asking to not work a couple of the insets. The school are finally listening but spent ages pretending to misunderstand my argument. I'm very stubborn though. HR would not respond (Aam in a big academy chain) but SLT seem to finally be listening. They chose Monday as my day off!!

@RBKB although I’m in the same boat as you, tbh I didn’t find your logic / argument east to follow.

The stance we are taking is that PT cannot legally be treated less favourably than FT. And if you suddenly give FT two additional days paid holiday then that’s discrimination against PT workers, even if unintentional.

*easy to follow

I basically counted up the days a 0.6 would work if they had Thurs/Fri off, or Weds Thurs off etc and compared it to 60% of the FT load and showed thry all differed, and I was in the worst position. So...that's not fair...I totally get all the other ways of looking at it but my point is very straightforward and SLT appear to be listening...I THINK...will update as they are deciding now.

I do understand but just think I my way of highlighting the unfairness is more straightforward 😬 good luck!

I have also been battling this one.

For the extra jubilee bank holiday, part timers at my school, who didn't work on Fridays, were told that they would be paid pro rata for an extra day. I received a pitiful amount of money and queried it. It had been calculated on my pro rata pay ÷ 365.

My union believes I should receive my pro rata pay ÷ 195, which makes quite a big difference. However as I work on Mondays I will benefit from an extra day's holiday for the funeral and for the coronation which won't be pro rata, so I have decided to let it drop.

If didn't work on a Monday I would definitely be fighting this one. Part time teachers are entitled to fair pay in comparison to their full time counterparts. Full time staff are getting the same pay for working less hours. Which means they are being paid more per hour of work. Part time workers have to be treated fairly according to the STPCD.

Since this situation will have occured 3 years in a row, I think it is a shame the unions haven't put out clear guidance for schools on this issue.

My school have said I can have 3/5 of a day in lieu, as I work 0.6. Hopefully this will apply to the Coronation as well, as I work neither Mondays nor Fridays 😬 Then I will have 6/5 altogether owed to me, so I will use it to take a day off when I need it lol.

your extra pay is 1/365 as otherwise if you strike you would be deducted 1/195 which would not advantage you.

@RBKB did you get a positive outcome? Just realised I am in the same situation. My union suggested asking for extra pay or time in lieu!

Nope. They said it was my fault for picking Mondays off. But...they picked Mondays as my day off!! They pride themselves on being incredibly autocratic. It was one of a few 'last straws' tbh and I have applied and been accepted at a lovely new school...full time from Sept...but...they are short staffed so are paying me a no quibble 0.2 to work THERE on Mondays til Sept!!

I’ve taken the view that you win some and lose some.

I’ve sometimes had Mondays off, sometimes Fridays and sometimes Wednesdays.

Sometimes we have finished the term on Thursday and it’s been a half day. As someone having Monday off, I’ve gained as I’ve got the Fri and half of Thurs off, along with not working on Monday.

It will have been annoying this year, with the funeral and another extra bank holiday for the coronation which won’t fall in half term. I’m just accepting it’s one of those things.

I think it’s difficult for a school to cover the lessons if you have a day off in lieu. What might happen is you’re offered time off when it’s either free periods or PPA or on a day like Sports Day when fewer staff might be able to manage the kids.

It’s tricky isn’t it. As a part-timer you can often feel a bit taken advantage of or that you’re doing more than you should be, but at the same time, colleagues can feel you’re having a cushy life and that they have to do things and arrange their time to accommodate you being part-time, so often part-timers don’t want to push too hard about this kind of thing. I wouldn’t choose to get the union invovled over this, but I expect that technically, part timers who have Monday off are entitled to something for Bank holidays which reduce the number of taught days in the school year.

I’m part time. I have never worked on a Monday and have previously been happy to let it go as one of those things. However, things have changed so much I asked what the situation was with regard to the Queen’s funeral. I was told I could take 0.6 of a day - but not during Y11/Y13 time.
I really wish that there was something more formal in place because I hate having to ask the question. As it stands I haven’t taken the time as I don’t want to let my students down.
I am also trying to remember that I am only paid for part time hours and I should not be expected to do the same amount of work as full time members of staff - everything e.g duties etc should be pro rata.

Exactly this. For me it boils down to the number of working days I should be doing. My proportion of the 190 teaching days should be 114. However, when I count my teaching days I will teach 117 (weds-fri) whereas my job share who does the start of the week will only teach 111 days.
This is all down to the fact that there have been so many PD days and bank holidays falling on Mondays/Tues this year. So where full time teachers or part time teachers who work the start of the week would get days off, I never do. This means that I will actually work over my directed time. My union have said to discuss it with school and that I shouldn’t teach more than 114 days.
I haven’t even taken into consideration the extra bank holidays this year, but I have read that the 190 working days should be adjusted due to this like they were for the jubilee last year.