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Bank holiday if you’re P/T and don’t work Mondays?

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SwissRoly · 10/09/2022 19:19

Does anyone know the situation regarding entitlement to time off in lieu if you are a teacher not contracted to work on Mondays and there is an additional term time bank holiday Monday?

I acknowledge that this isn’t really in the spirit of things but I’m curious to know if it’s just the luck of the draw when it comes to days off.

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pinkyponkyplink · 10/09/2022 19:23

I'm the same. Work the end of the week.

Ithinkthatisenoughnowthanks · 10/09/2022 19:37

You're off on the bank holiday - same as Christmas Day, Boxing Day, etc. There is no entitlement to extra time off because you happen not to be working that day.

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SwissRoly · 10/09/2022 19:41

@pinkyponkyplink what are your thoughts?

@Ithinkthatisenoughnowthanks I’m not sure it’s that straightforward if you teach…there were special arrangements made when the Jubilee bank holiday fell in half term.

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Takeachance18 · 10/09/2022 19:45

For teachers, contract is x number of days in school. Same as anyone who only has x number of days holiday a year (but not plus bank holidays). It may affect support staff, who if they have x number of days leave plus bank holidays, should get x% of a day extra pay.

pinkyponkyplink · 10/09/2022 19:48

I've no idea. I'm just annoyed that I always miss our. Our jubilee day was on a Monday too and then there is bank holiday too.

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SwissRoly · 10/09/2022 19:49

@Takeachance18 but then surely full time staff are getting an extra day’s holiday that P/T staff are not getting, pro rata. I won’t be raising it as it’s not in the spirit but I do think technically it mightn’t be allowed.

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SwissRoly · 10/09/2022 19:50

I mean mightn’t be allowed to put PT staff at a disadvantage

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Onandgrowing · 10/09/2022 19:59

I have always just seen it as one of those things. It is annoying though - but luckily not that many Monday bank hols fall in term time. Let’s hope the coronation isn’t a Monday too!

Takeachance18 · 10/09/2022 20:00

It is frustrating but like the jubilee the number of days required for teachers was reduced to 189, so DfE will change it again this year (and possibly again for the coronation, although that may be on a Friday to allow for celebrations). Not everyone has bank holidays as extra and there is no legal requirement to pay people for them and hence it comes down to contract but local government (green book) contracts and therefore support staff in LA schools has x number of days plus bank/public holiday.

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SwissRoly · 10/09/2022 20:06

@Takeachance18 but if the DfE Change it again then surely PT staff not contracted to work on the Monday (or the Friday if the coronation falls on one) will be exceeding that number of days, pro rata?

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watingroom2 · 10/09/2022 20:24

pinkyponkyplink · 10/09/2022 19:48

I've no idea. I'm just annoyed that I always miss our. Our jubilee day was on a Monday too and then there is bank holiday too.

You were entitled to the Jubilee bank holiday - regardless if it fell on your working day. Your school may not have let you know - but you should have had a day off or pay. I'm not sure - about this one though (as it is not 'planned in the same way')

If it makes you feel better - i don't work Fridays - our end of term is always 'adjusted' by our head to fall on a Friday. Last day of term is a half day - so I always miss out - they have offered to let me swap days before - but if I do - i only get a half days pay (as I will only be working a half day- even though everyone else gets a full days pay )

Takeachance18 · 10/09/2022 20:26

Depends on the contract as it does for anyone who isn't paid specifically for bank holidays. Same as part time staff who are given an annual leave allowance including bank holidays, if they work Monday's they will need to use x number of hours leave, so will need to use some of their paid annual leave to cover it (e.g, with the extra bank holiday, they may get 5 hours extra leave, but need to take 7.5 hours to cover the whole of the extra day). So part time teachers who work Monday's would lose pay to cover the extra bank holiday as they would have taken more leave than allowed, if that was how teachers contracts worked.

pinkyponkyplink · 11/09/2022 13:25

I have a feeling the coronation will be in the school holidays. I can't imagine they will allow more time off school

Noodledoodledoo · 11/09/2022 22:15

VE day celebrations moved the bank holiday from the Monday to a Friday - I asked prior to lockdowns etc if I would get it back and it was a no - luck of the draw situation!

Mrsnotsure24 · 19/09/2022 22:35

@SwissRoly did you ever find out if you are entitled to any additional leave? I am
also a teacher off on Mondays and haven’t heard anything from my HT but equally haven’t checked or asked.

pinkyponkyplink · 19/09/2022 23:46

Has anyone spoken to their union? I've heard that the alteration from 190 days to 189 days needs to be allowed for all staff despite the days you work. I'm waiting for confirmation

seven201 · 24/09/2022 08:55

My school this week emailed staff to say if you usually work on a Monday then you can have a day off in lieu. My sister's school sent an email saying there was no day off in lieu. I think it must be up to the school.

spanieleyes · 24/09/2022 09:38

We are similar, part time staff who don't work Mondays have been given time off pro rata- so 20% of normal working hours.

definitelynotlistening · 24/09/2022 21:56

I am curious as to how all this works with 13 weeks holiday a year. Should part time teachers technically get less?

pinkyponkyplink · 24/09/2022 22:01

definitelynotlistening · 24/09/2022 21:56

I am curious as to how all this works with 13 weeks holiday a year. Should part time teachers technically get less?

Teachers have 190 days directed for teaching. Another 5 days are for training. Holidays are not included in this 195 days. Those who work at the beginning of the week have now been directed for 189 days so I think the discussion is around whether all staff should be directed for 189 days.

LyndaLaHughes · 24/09/2022 22:25

definitelynotlistening · 24/09/2022 21:56

I am curious as to how all this works with 13 weeks holiday a year. Should part time teachers technically get less?

How would that make a difference? If you are usually only working part of the week then only those days throughout the holidays would be days off too so it would still be pro rata. So for summer holiday for instance. Full timers 6 weeks X 5 days is 30 days holiday/ part timer on 0.6 would get 6x 3 days off so 18 days.

Onandgrowing · 24/09/2022 23:20

definitelynotlistening · 24/09/2022 21:56

I am curious as to how all this works with 13 weeks holiday a year. Should part time teachers technically get less?

Well they do get less paid holiday, as their salary is part time throughout the year, not just in term time.

definitelynotlistening · 24/09/2022 23:24

Thanks for these answers

tallbirduk · 06/11/2022 22:34

SwissRoly · 10/09/2022 19:49

@Takeachance18 but then surely full time staff are getting an extra day’s holiday that P/T staff are not getting, pro rata. I won’t be raising it as it’s not in the spirit but I do think technically it mightn’t be allowed.

@SwissRoly I have also been pondering this and have drafted an email to HR to ask the question. I’ll let you know what they say!

donttellmehesalive · 09/11/2022 19:35

What do you do about the other bank holidays such as May Day? Surely it will be the same arrangement.

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