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The fourteenth republic - watching Scotland and ever changing DfE guidelines

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 02/08/2020 15:50

You are most welcome to this school staff support thread to get us through stressful times. It is meant for school staff. Baiters and bashers can jog on somewhere else.

If you are NOT staff and just have a general education query please start your own thread.

You can play here only if you are a member of one the following groups-

-ABBA - anti bashers and baiting association
-SWAB - school workers against bashers
-SWOT - school workers opposing teacherbashers
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Other requirements for staff room entry include the ability to find the staff room, the ability to find a clean mug in the staff room, knowledge of the photocopier codes, and the ability to sniff out where the toffee vodka is hidden.

If you are fed up with cakes and biscuits there is now a cheeseboard on offer

If you come with a stick to beat us with then please do so elsewhere and not in the staffroom

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DollyMixtureLulus · 09/08/2020 11:43

Anxiety has walloped me this morning. First on our agenda for tomorrow is HT’s overview of the new procedures. Hopefully that gets us some answers.

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/08/2020 11:44

Hugs Dolly.

The anticipation is always the worst. Be kind to yourself today Thanks

Danglingmod · 09/08/2020 11:45

We don't have any classes quite that large but there are classes in schools two of my friends teach in with 34-38. Three kids to desks meant for two. It's an absolute scandal.

TheHoneyBadger · 09/08/2020 11:47

I had a teaching nightmare last night. I’d had no timetable till the daday we started teaching and was teaching all different subjects with no planning and the timetable didn’t have the room numbers on so I was running around trying to find out where my groups were. The school was like a maze.

Then I was trying to teach an awfully behaved group a lesson I hadn’t no planning for and knew nothing about with a panel of nqts at a table in front of me tutting and muttering about how shit I was.

Doesn’t take Freud to analyse that one.

Mistressiggi · 09/08/2020 11:47

Oh Dolly can we hold hands together then? I can't believe I'm back tomorrow. As well as the obvious worries, there's just the usual ones of organising everybody, having "proper" clothes and packed lunches - and I don't understand how I have been at home for months and my house is still a shithole.

DollyMixtureLulus · 09/08/2020 11:53

It sounds so silly but I’ve only just realised we’re actually, properly going back Shock

DollyMixtureLulus · 09/08/2020 11:58

This story is too tragic to tell anyone IRL but since Mistress needs a handhold, I accidentally brushed hands with the guy at Starbucks this morning and it was the first time I’ve touched another human since.... February?! I mean, FFS!

Mistressiggi · 09/08/2020 12:07

Oh goodness. That must feel strange. Shows you have been doing the right/safe things though all along. Let's hope you don't go in for a hug with your head tomorrow to up the game!

CarrieBlue · 09/08/2020 12:30

Essentially, too many new or not new, just recycled but experienced staff are ignored when this is pointed out initiatives ends up resulting in a disintegration of consistent and effective application of them and so it all gets lost as people get disenfranchised.

JulyBreeze · 09/08/2020 12:34

I woke feeling stressed this morning and realised it was because I'd been dreaming I was married to Boris Johnson!!! 😱

DollyMixtureLulus · 09/08/2020 12:39

Let's hope you don't go in for a hug with your head tomorrow to up the game!

Grin Unlikely!

It was so embarrassing, I gasped, he gasped and flung the hand sanitiser at me Grin Blush

noblegiraffe · 09/08/2020 12:50

My DH wanted to go out for a meal and I was like panic panic I don’t think I feel it’s safe to be in a restaurant just yet.

Then I thought ‘ffs if that’s how I feel about a restaurant, how will I feel about stepping into the classroom in 3 weeks?’. So I am trying to desensitise myself by going out of my comfort zone.

Which is the opposite of what cant was advocating on her thread about teachers and pupils being scrupulously careful this summer to avoid the chaos of schools having to close shortly after opening.

Which is a mad situation to be in.

JulyBreeze · 09/08/2020 12:52

Can anyone lay their hand on the link or remember the location of the article published a few days again which showed that children in various settings, around the world, have transmitted it? I probably got from this thread. I so need to post it everywhere this morning in response to the Daily Mail and Times articles...

I didn't imagine it did I?? Or is that the Lancet one?

JulyBreeze · 09/08/2020 13:05

No not the Lancet one, just been re-reading that.

Piggywaspushed · 09/08/2020 13:12

That might well have been me, but I can't remember the precise one, sorry.

TheHoneyBadger · 09/08/2020 13:15

@JulyBreeze

I woke feeling stressed this morning and realised it was because I'd been dreaming I was married to Boris Johnson!!! 😱
That sounds as bad as mine which was bloody awful Grin

As to pp one use of them I hate is hod being able to claim individual teachers don’t have to do any planning because there is a power for each lesson on the system.

Never mind that there are no actual tasks and learning activities on said PowerPoint or any attempt at differentiation whatsoever and no resources to go with them. Of course I still had to plan and create resources.

The odd unit would be written by someone fab and old school with practicals built in and a ton of suggested tasks so you could pick out ones appropriate for the main body of your class and print off a few easier and harder ones for the outliers. Very rare though and always from teachers who trained around the same time or before me.

JulyBreeze · 09/08/2020 13:25

Thanks @Piggywaspushed used the "filter by poster" to find it :

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/05/covid-19-may-spread-more-easily-schools-than-thought-report-warns

It's the one referring to the Georgia, USA, summer camps where loads got it. Overnight stays though, so not comparable! But there's references to a scientist in there saying "we don't know" about school risk, am going to click on those now, will report back.

noblegiraffe · 09/08/2020 13:32

used the "filter by poster" to find it

OoooOoooOooooh fancy!

TheHoneyBadger · 09/08/2020 13:51

www.theguardian.com/science/2020/aug/09/what-we-are-learning-about-covid-19-and-kids

Interesting article though I do wish they’d mentioned we are specifically not allowed to make group sizes smaller or have sd as it would need rotas or magic tardis like schools.

JulyBreeze · 09/08/2020 14:07

Thanks @noblegiraffe: it really helped!

So here's a long post but I found this stuff really helpful:

www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/coronavirus-covid-19-press-conference-with-bill-hanage-07-15-20/

Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health with Bill Hanage, associate professor of epidemiology and a faculty member in the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, speaking at a virtual press conference on July 15th. He:

• agreed that risk of death in children seems very low, however:
"as I’m sure you’re aware, when we start looking at these infections over time, we can see the proportion of them that are very long term or leave people with chronic illness. And potentially, have consequences that we’re only beginning to learn about because this is truly a multi-system disease. We think of it as a respiratory virus, but it infects way, way, way more than simply the respiratory system. And we can expect to see some of those consequences in the health of children going forward"

• says we don't have sufficient evidence about schools, and that older children may well spread more:
"But right now, what I’d say is that almost all the studies that we have about the role of children in transmission suffer from biases of one kind or another. However, it is plausible to think taking a read of all of them together, that younger children are somewhat less likely to become infected and maybe a little less likely to transmit. Older children behave much more like adults, and find social distancing is much more difficult. So that’s slightly older high schoolers and so. So, they should be treated separately"

• testing requires clear actions dependent on results (which apparently US schools haven't been given?!)
"So, think of it like this. Imagine you have one case. As I’ve said, this is not even just about kids. The finding of a single case does not necessarily mean that transmission has occurred. So if there’s one case and it’s a single introduction to the school, it’s unlikely, all taken together, to transmit. So under those circumstances, with a low rate of community transmission, it would probably be sensible to shift that group to education at home for a period of time, not necessarily very long, but for a period of time in order to check whether or not transmission had occurred. And that’s very different from a situation in which you are having an introduction into every school, into every class, you know, multiple times. Now, that means one of them is almost certainly going to transmit. The increase in the number of infected people, or potentially infected people, will be much larger. And at that point, the question becomes open as to whether or not the schools should be open at all.......
I think that if you can keep community transmission low, it’s reasonable to think that schools can reopen. And I think it’s reasonable to think that outbreaks within schools can be fairly readily controlled. Once community transmission gets high and the number of introductions to schools becomes high as well, then you’re in a different situation and you have to start thinking about doing something quite different."

and it depends if schools are more affected by transmission coming in from the community or vice versa:
"So, in other words, are the schools a net contributor to the transmission? And I think that at the moment, we don’t have enough data to say whether or not that no under (July: he means, there are no) circumstances under which that would be the case. But we do expect it to be the case, the higher community transmission becomes."

(Emboldening is mine - the especially quotable bits!)

JulyBreeze · 09/08/2020 14:08

He also mentions outdoor sports (a basketball question!) and vulnerable groups in schools.

JulyBreeze · 09/08/2020 14:09

Note he says one positive bursts the bubble....

theduchessstill · 09/08/2020 14:15

Depressing interview with Kate Green on R4 earlier - she just parroted the line that schools must go back. That's it - no mention of safety or anything. I've heard nothing from the union recently. Seems we are very much on our own.

Piggywaspushed · 09/08/2020 14:21

Dianne Abbott was a bit more vocal on Breakfast this morning. She said' of course we all want schools back, but they MUST be safe'. When directly asked whether she thought masks should be worn, she said, without hesitation 'yes'.

Kate Green isn't sure who she is meant to be pleasing at the moment.

Piggywaspushed · 09/08/2020 15:01

People are already using the as yet unpublished PHE report as evidence . With no knowledge of what it says. The media at its finest today.

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