Primary Core Subject leaders - tlr?

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Just wondering how many of you get a tlr for leading a core subject? If so, in which subjects? Especially with the 'deep dive' ofsted inspections, it's quite a responsibility!

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No

I lead Maths, Assessment and Computing

But you're right about deep dives - it's going to be fairly brutal

Would love a TLR.
Or a pay rise.

Not primary myself. May I ask why anyone leads if they are not getting paid?

Physalia wow, that's a lot of extra work! Do you get extra release time? Are you UPS?

No TLRs at my school and teachers are leading on multiple subjects.

Teachers also have VERY limited subject leader release time to do their role. Maybe one half day in the year. One half day per term for English and Maths.

I get a TLR. Early Years Lead (150 children), PSED, Wrap-around care, Safeguarding.

Are you happy with this Looking? I'm not sure I would be confident to sit with ofsted and go through a deep dive with no extra time or remuneration for a lot of extra work on top of normal classroom duties

Anyone else?

Half a day per term for Maths.
I'm UPS1.

The school has no money. We're all expensive teachers, so until one of us leaves and we can employ an NQT, we're stuffed. We need a 1:1 for a new child - we're going to have to dip into the reserves, even though we shouldn't for that.

Small school syndrome

I'm UPS and responsible for Maths and Computing no TLR. Budget very tight.

I understand budgets being tight and wanting to get experience in order to apply for promotions but since maternity leave it really annoys me that we take on extra work for free!

Our Maths, STEM and English leads receive a TLR of approx 2.5k (large school, challenging area.) I'd pay them double that to keep them - they have completely changed the face of teaching in our school.

I get a TLR for English.

No of course I’m not happy about it but the way I see it is that it should be leadership, management and governance that is slated in the Ofsted report in this case. How can subject leaders be held accountable when they are not able to do their (unpaid) role?

That's true Looking, I hadn't thought of it that way. I think I'd still feel like I'd let everyone down though, even though you can only do your best

Isn't it just part of the whole school impact required for UPS?

Loyalty not according to the unions.

Isn't it just part of the whole school impact required for UPS?

No. Hence why I asked about people's reasons for doing these volunteer roles. I

Nope

Ups & lead Maths. No tlr or time for it.

I get a TLR for being key stage lead, nothing for being maths and RE lead, and we're a church school so RE lead gets the joy of a SIAMS inspection too

UPS. Have led science for the past five years. All age special school so lead across phases from Foundation to K.S. 3. No TLR and no release time. And I currently work part time (three days a week).

I don’t understand this mentality. In no other industry would this happen.

Teachers are mugs (I know, I’ve been one for 20 years!).

If you’re asked to take on extra responsibility, you ask “does that come with additional remuneration and non-contact time to complete the demands of the role?”. If they say “no”, you say “thanks but no thanks”.

Simple as that.

This is exactly what happens in the rest of industry.

if you’re silly enough to take it on without, then when Ofsted come in and grill you, you say “I’m sorry but I haven’t been given the time I need to lead the subject effectively or to answer your questions effectively” to every question they ask.

Then it’s on the management.

The STPD and your union are your friends.