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Boy in Y4 obsessing with other children

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Auxurdeu · 24/08/2019 22:22

I need some help understanding the behaviour of a boy in my class, and how to help him.

Last year he started fixating on a new girl in his class. He would always want to play with her, always sit next to her, and he would tell her he loved her, and try to kiss her. She did not like his attention, and kept trying to move away. He would follow her at every break time. In the beginning she was ok to play with him, but then it got a bit much for her and she got fed up. She told him to stop annoying her, and she told him he was not allowed to kiss her, but he did not listen.
We told him he had to respect her boundaries and give her space. He argued saying he was just being friendly, and would not listen to adults telling him that it was not friendly when the girl did not want the attention, and that the behaviour was not appropriate for school. We had several action plans for him to not follow her around asking her to play, and nothing really worked. She moved away due to family circumstances. His behaviour returned to normal and he played like usual with the boys in his class. In spring a new girl joined the class, and the behaviour started up again, but to a lesser degree. The girl ignored him, and generally did not respond to him at all. She turned her back at him and just got on with playing with the other girls. She moved at the end of the school year.

Now, I am overseas and school is back. One week in, and he has two new obsessions in the year above. In the beginning they responded favourably to him, he was just a boy trying to make friends, and they showed him kindness and attention. It soon escalated. At meal times he is seeking them out and sits opposite and just stares at them. He is following them around every play time. He is blowing kisses constantly, waving at them joining them in conversations. He wears them out by repeatedly saying "you are so pretty", or "will you marry me". He has kissed one of them on the lips, and she was very upset because he had threatened to do it, and she had said no dont do it, but he disrespected this. He has been told to respect their boundaries, been told it is not ok to behave this way, he has been told to stop blowing kisses and all the other things he is doing, because they dont like it. They have told him this himself, and teachers have told him. He just smiles and says "but they should like it because I am just being friendly". I have tried turning the tables and ask how he would feel if somebody did this to him, he replied that he would like it a lot.
During a chat we had he asked what he could do if not following them around asking to play, and I said it was ok for him to just smile and say "hello" to them. After we had finished talking he instantly walked over to them and said "hello" repeatedly while waving his hand. When they walked off, he followed, and he kept saying "hello". Well, I did tell him he could say hello....

How can we best deal with this? I feel completely at loss as I have not encountered anything like this before. Our senco has referred him for evaluation, but that can take a while, so what strategies can we use meanwhile?
He seems to have low emotional intelligence, low self-regulation, he seems to lack social skills and understanding of social codes and norms, and have very little empathy. Any ideas of resources that could help teach him the social competences he seems to need?

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Lillyringlet · 25/08/2019 13:40

Sounds like abuse or something traumatic. He's learnt "I'm only being friendly from somewhere"

Mamapop1 · 25/08/2019 13:54

My concern is generally that all safeguarding courses and updates (which are annually) over the course of my career have highlighted that such behaviour would be a red flag of sexual abuse. So the direction would be to pass it to the safeguarding lead and they should be giving support. If there is abuse then the direction of support needs to be careful and by a trained professional in the field to avoid further emotional damage.
Based purely on the information given I would also avoid the idea of direct punishment of this behaviour, yes correction needs to happen and the girls of course need to be protected, but if this is a child that is being harmed they need it to be carefully managed. Maybe make him a classroom monitor to keep him out of circulation at break, give him a responsibility to build self worth and gain trust and opportunities to open up?

SEND potential issues are clearly all being dealt with.

Flyingarcher · 25/08/2019 15:15

Look up comic strip conversations. A lot like social stories but including thought bubbles for the people involved.

Thatagain · 25/08/2019 16:34

It's bad behaviour. As a badly behaved child I would not hesitate I would just remove him from the class

Branleuse · 25/08/2019 18:48

the reason i suggested autism was the inability to infer that the other child isnt enjoying what he would enjoy and is enjoying. This is theory of mind and while its not typical autistic behaviour, it can become a problem for some autistic people and needs very careful handling.

I think this is a lot more likely than he is a sexual predator at 8.
If a child at 8 is showing worrying behaviours around consent, you do have to deal with it differently and work out why. Kicking the child out of school is not going to help him, but he clearly needs a lot of supervision and work in this area

inboxmayhem · 25/08/2019 19:49

Grade 4 is actually 10/11 years old if I have read that correctly.

Seriously thou, this constant using autism as an excuse for any type of unwanted behaviour really grates me.

Playground the other day, a boy of 8 repeatedly punched my friends 5 year old. Mother of 8 year old said "oh he's autistic" not even a sorry.

Where does the line get drawn? When the boy touches a girls body he is fixated on, but it's ok he's autistic

inboxmayhem · 25/08/2019 19:51

Sorry I see it's year 4

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