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Out of control teachers

55 replies

Jamhandprints · 19/06/2019 20:29

I work in a primary school and in the last two weeks have witnessed two very distressing situations. One, the HT dragging a SN child into her office and screaming at him. I honestly thought someone was being murdered from the noise but it was just because he didn't want to do his work.
Then a SL had visitors in her classroom and insisted one child be removed from the room in case he decided to be naughty. He didn't want to go and started crying and she still insisted so a member of staff picked him up and carried him out. He cried for an hour, and was hitting himself with his fists, then the SL came outside and saw him crying and told him off very firmly for not cooperating and said he'd be sent to the HT.
I've felt very shaken by both these incidents and feel I should report it to someone but don't know how or to who. The school has a lovely behaviour policy so in writing all looks good.
Am I just being too soft?

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Isitweekendyet · 19/06/2019 20:31

Report
Report
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I hate the notion that teachers can act as they please for the sole reason they are teachers.

There was no excuse for screaming at a child like that.

AllPizzasGreatAndSmall · 19/06/2019 20:36

Also nobody should be picking a child up and removing them from the room.
Out of interest, what does SL stand for?

MigGril · 19/06/2019 20:36

No if you feel there is an issue then do report. I believe in the case of the HT then it would be the board of governors.

UnderPompeii · 19/06/2019 20:37

That is awful and a very real Safeguarding issue. You need to report to your LADO (Local Authority Designated Officer), that's what they are there for, to go over your Head and report your concerns. Be brave OP, there's obviously a culture of accepting this behaviour from staff. Good luckThanks

Jamhandprints · 19/06/2019 20:37

I'm just worried as I work in the school and I know I will be viewed as a trouble maker if I complain about two senior members of staff. :-(

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DaveCoachesgavemetheclap · 19/06/2019 20:38

SL? Confused

MigGril · 19/06/2019 20:38

Is SL one of the sinor leadership? Although normally reporting to the head. I would say by the sounds of it I'd just report both to the governors.

Jamhandprints · 19/06/2019 20:38

SL is senior leader. Does anyone know if there's an anonymous way to flag this?

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DaveCoachesgavemetheclap · 19/06/2019 20:39

Senior Leader?

DaveCoachesgavemetheclap · 19/06/2019 20:39

X post!

Haggisfish · 19/06/2019 20:39

Senior leader? You have to report to local council person, I agree.

ReganSomerset · 19/06/2019 20:40

I think you have to go to the governors. I don't think there's anyway to do it anonymously.

gotmychocolateimgood · 19/06/2019 20:40

Letter to chair of governors?

Jamhandprints · 19/06/2019 20:41

Thanks @UnderPompeii I will look into that.

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elephantoverthehill · 19/06/2019 20:43

Did anyone else witness the incidents who would be willing to whistleblow as well?

SparklesandFlowers · 19/06/2019 20:43

Any incidents requiring staff to physically intervene should be logged for safeguarding purposes. Restraining or manhandling a child should only be used in cases where they are causing or going to cause harm to themselves or others. Staff should be trained in correct ways to restrain and if moving them for some reason should explain to the child what they ate going to do and why ("I have to lift you down because it's not safe and you might fall and hurt yourself").

It can be frustrating but staff should not manhandle children if they are simply refusing to move where they need to go. Unless there are particular circumstances (I can't think of a reason right now though) and preferably another staff member to witness.

I would report it. If the school is following guidelines and they get checked and it's all fine, then no harm done. If there's an issue, you'll have done a good thing.

Showerandtell · 19/06/2019 20:44

If you are UK based, you should have a whistleblowing policy in place - usual reporting process is to the chair of governors but alternatively you could go direct to the LADO or report to the NSPCC via their whistleblowing scheme.

www.nspcc.org.uk/what-you-can-do/report-abuse/dedicated-helplines/whistleblowing-advice-line/

Either way, please please report. I understand your nervousness but it's essential that we all play our part in protecting children, particularly vulnerable children who may not be able to voice their concerns or raise the alarm.

Grasspigeons · 19/06/2019 20:45

you should have a whistle blowing policy - try dig it out and follow that.

SparklesandFlowers · 19/06/2019 20:46

Yes, report to the LADO. They shouldn't use your name when investigating, you should be fine. Don't report to the governors, I think this needs to be looked at by an outside agency.

Herocomplex · 19/06/2019 20:47

Your school is required to have a whistleblowing policy in the staff handbook. You must follow that. Does your union have a confidential helpline?

mummyhaschangedhername · 19/06/2019 20:49

Find your school whistleblowing policy. It needs reported. Will either be chair or governors or a specific person in the local authority.

Evenquieterlife33 · 19/06/2019 20:55

Report it. Those poor kids will have treatment like this over and over if you don’t.

livinginhope87 · 19/06/2019 20:59

Please report. I know it is scary to be a whistleblower but it is so so important. These examples have happened in plain sight it makes me nervous about what happens behind closed doors. SN children are particularly vulnerable to this sort of thing happening, please be their voice.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 19/06/2019 21:04

You should have, iirc, a safeguarding governor. This sort of info should be available on your school's website.

topcat2014 · 19/06/2019 21:05

To a PP, the chair of governors, or the safeguarding governor, will report to the Local Authority without recourse to the head etc.

It is another route available to you.

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