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Should I leave teaching?

42 replies

jesstjoking · 17/01/2018 20:33

I have tried to make this as un-identifying as possible so I’ve edited facts a little and some is quite vague. Sorry it’s really long.

I was on maternity leave and returned to work just before Christmas in a new school in the same MAT as my previous school. I am now having serious concerns about how suitable I am for this school or possible for teaching in general. I’d love some perspective because I feel lost.

I have a year 3 class who had between 5 and 10 supply teachers last term. The school has a very high staff turn over (3 others joined at the same time as me) and I suspect I was the only candidate for the job. There is very low moral amongst staff, especially teaching staff. I am feeling overwhelmed and stressed already and I feel like a lot of what I do is a waste of time. I love my class and I feel like I could make a difference for them if I stayed in the post until the end of the academic year. They desperately need some consistency after so many supply teachers and they are a lovely group of children. However I have several serious problems in the school.

The SLT are obsessed with data, Ofsted and SATs. I must hear those words 20 times a day or more in a surprising variety of contexts. For example, my phase leader told me not to worry that my class found telling the time confusing because they’re unlikely to get a question on that in the end of term test paper because there were lots of points for it in the autumn term test. The children have all been told if they are exceeding / expected / working towards, but most of them don’t know what they should do to improve. The progress data must be updated on the excel sheets every 2 weeks, but as far as I can tell, it isn’t being used for anything. There are 5 children identified in my class as failing the Y1 phonics test at the end of Y2 and again just before Christmas, but there isn’t any kind of phonics intervention in place for them. There are also children identified with maths at the expected level for a reception child, but there isn’t any kind of focus group work for them, they’re just doing Singapore maths with everyone else.

Planning is stifling. We have to plan 2 weeks in advance (5 hours 50 mins maths week and 6.5 hours English per week) and give in copies to SLT. The SLT do learning walks most days and they bring the plans with them. If you’re not doing what it says you’re doing on the plan then you need to have annotated the hard copy of the plan to explain what went wrong and why you’re not on track. I hardly know my class so I find it very difficult to predict what they will be able to do by the end of the week let alone by the end of next week. I want to be able to edit my plans depending on what happened in the last lesson.

Planning must be in a very specific and time consuming format. The old planning from last year was deleted from the network because the format was changed, so we are planning everything from scratch. I end up planning at home most of the time, but I do not have a school laptop. My laptop is a mac and does not have microsoft word. The planning must be in the grid which is only saved in microsoft word. I re-made the grid in the mac equivalent of word, and handed in the hard copy of my planning on that, but I was told I would need to copy and paste it into the correct grid because my boxes weren’t exactly the same size and I didn’t have the right font. There are so many boxes, and the computers are so slow, that copying and pasting 2 weeks worth of plans took me about 30 minutes. All because Ofsted apparently want to see consistency across schools in planning.

The medium term plans expect me to cover way too much. I am supposed to do Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone in 3 weeks with an EAL heavy year 3 class. They should have the opportunity to do 2 pieces of extended independent writing in that time and one formal comprehension in silence (used to update the excel sheet on reading levels) every week too and we must have grammar, spelling and reading foci in every lesson. We also have an hour of reciprocal reading per week as part of English and the text should come from the (very expensive) comprehension texts box. Medium term plans for history and science are also very limiting. Each lesson must answer a pre-set question (but there are no resources to go with it because they all got deleted) so there is no time to answer the children’s questions. My class were really curious about children’s lives in the historical era, but the questions mostly focus on buildings, neighbourhoods and cities to cover geography too. I’ve been authorised to find or make texts about the history topic to use in the English comprehensions. There is a very obvious local trip for this history topic which I suggested, but the school only do one trip per year and it’s as a whole school, so that’s not an option.

We do not use a digital register system and teachers are responsible for telling the office staff to phone home for high-risk children on the first day of absence and all other children on the second day. We are the also responsible for checking whether the phone call was actually made. Teachers are expected to notice any patterns in absences, eg/ one child always misses Mondays and report this too.

The marking policy is very time consuming. I have to mark correct or good things in green and wrong things in red and write which of the success criteria they achieved in green and a target in red. The children then reply in purple and I correct their reply in pink. When they self or peer assess, they use yellow and pink highlighters for good and bad things and write their comments in orange. Their books look a mess with all of those colours all over them but presentation is a huge focus, for example, they’re supposed to rub out the margin if it’s not exactly 2 squares wide. I’d rather they got on with the maths with a 3-square margin than wasted another 5 minutes rubbing out and it drawing again, but it's not my place to make that decision.

There are year group meetings, phase meetings, key stage meetings and whole school meetings. Each level of management has a specific focus and is doing book and planning scrutinies to check that their focus is being satisfied. It feels like everything is the priority to someone, from presentation to independently written sentences explaining mathematical reasoning and methods. A whole school meeting started with the English lead telling us that we needed to provide a high and low example of exceeding, expected and working toward writing, annotated to show which criteria had been met where to be used as an example bank for moderation. She openly stated that they had done this last year and not used them.

My final issue is with how incidents are recorded. Each class has a box full of big postcards, one for each child. You have to write any incidents (injuries, behaviour issues etc) on their card, so incidents involving more than one child have to be written on all of the relevant cards. It’s very time consuming and not very useful. Apparently the purpose of this is so that is an angry parent goes into the office to ask about an incident, the SLT can simply take the incident card and use that in the meeting rather than disrupt me while I’m teaching for me to tell them what happened.

Is this just what teaching is in the UK now? I’m working 10 - 11 hours most week days and probably 4 or 5 hours at the weekend to do everything and I can't keep doing it. To cut down, I either do all of the random extra stuff and muddle along without enough time to plan creative, engaging lessons, make useful resources, or enough brain bandwidth to remember their birthdays and the little things which matter to them, or I focus on the children and giving good lessons but fail on everything else and end up fired with a terrible reference. I don’t have enough time for my own dc if I do everything. I am on a probation contract so I could leave at half term, and I’m really tempted to return to my previous career, but I don't want to disrupt my class again and I love teaching.

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IcanMooCanYou · 17/01/2018 21:44

Ooog yes- do that. Or pass round copies under the table at the next staff meeting 😀. And not a chance will they look at last year's books.

Also tell them ofsted are possibly getting rid of 'outstanding' as they've realised it's a load of shite!

BrigitsBigKnickers · 17/01/2018 21:44

So this is thereason for why there is such a high staff turnover...
Seriously-leave- it sounds horrendous!

AndyNextDoor · 17/01/2018 21:49

Ofsted myths

You should not be planning like this.

You should not slavishly stick to plans either - I would say a teacher who is rigid like that is a poor teacher. Your SLT are nuts.

We were Outstanding until recently - downgraded to Good and thank Christ for that. So much less pressure being Good. Ofsted did not look at planning. Marking was a glance but not a big issue. Only interested in Pupil Premium - how we were supporting, progress etc.

AndyNextDoor · 17/01/2018 21:50

Oh, and we kept the previous year's books - not interested.

Teachers then had to remove the covers from every book and shred, and recycle the pages. What a bloody waste of my time Hmm

YoureAllABunchOfBastards · 17/01/2018 21:59

Ofsted do not give a shit about any of this. Your SLT are twats.

Not all schools are like this. Sadly, I suspect mine will be soon as we are going that way...

Wallabyone · 17/01/2018 22:14

RUN!

katycb · 17/01/2018 22:22

I used to work somewhere that sounds very similar- Esp. the highlighting and crazy planning! This time last year I was almost ready to quit. Got a new job working at a different school I'm 0.5, Only do about 2 hours a day outside of class time and have a sensible phase leader. I'd try and see what else is out there!

TractorTedTed · 17/01/2018 22:24

That sounds awful.

And the poor children. You sound like you know what you're doing and you could go in and really make a difference. Yet your SLT won't let you focus on the important stuff because of bloody data.

I think everyone else is right telling you to get out. A school like that will just grind you down.

I do wonder whether, knowing you're already thinking of leaving, you could ask for a meeting with SLT and tell them straight. Seriously. That poor class needs consistency and a teacher who cares, not one forced to waste time writing pointless plans. I'd be so tempted to tell them exactly what I think!

Argeles · 17/01/2018 22:42

Look elsewhere starting from now!

Subscribe to Guardian/TES job alerts, and register with a few agencies.

Are you on a probationary contract? If so, they can get rid of you very easily as and when they like. I was placed on one of these once in a Secondary school, and used it to my advantage and just left with my mental health hanging on by a thread.

If you’re on a regular contract and are feeling exhausted and stressed, go to the Doctors and see if you can get signed off for a while. You can use the time off work to properly evaluate everything and find a position elsewhere.

Good luck. Remember that you owe them nothing.

MagicFajita · 18/01/2018 01:42

Please try not to feel any guilt towards your class - parents can vote with their feet too and probably will when the kids lose yet another teacher due to the poor and unrealistic management of the staff team.

Also more teachers need to take a stand against their increasing workload rather than work themselves into the ground.

I worked somewhere similar to what you describe (am a ta but workload filters down and you see so much) and had to leave after a few years as I started to dread going to work and lost a ridiculous amount of weight. The teachers either worked until at least 7 or were seen as problematic. Tears in the staff room were frequent after yet another nasty , picky observation of a good teacher.

Please leave!

CocktailsAndDreams · 18/01/2018 10:10

Your SLT are nuts and are box ticking jobsworths.

The assumption that you are not sticking to your lesson plan because something "went wrong" is ridiculous. IMO the hallmark of a good teacher is someone who uses the plan as a guide and responds to the children's learning, adapting the plan accordingly to ensure they get the most out of the lesson.

Doing so many learning walks suggests to me a culture of mistrust and doubt amongst the school and SLT - they should be able to let you get on with the work if they think you are good enough. Hugely stressful for teachers and quite demotivating.

I have only ever worked at schools with digital registers and incident logging, so your manual systems for manual registration, absence tracking and logging incidents seem absolutely in the Dark Ages to me. Aside from that, your incident logging makes it very difficult to track patterns and trends. I would be talking to the DSL about looking at ways to review this to make it a) easier to log events and b) spot trends.

Or would I be talking to the DSL? No, I'd be looking for another job. Not all schools are like this, OP - see if you can move before you jack the whole thing in.

noblegiraffe · 18/01/2018 13:53

The DfE have issued a handy poster about reducing teacher workload if you want something to put up in your Staffroom. It basically says everything your school is doing is pointless.

Should I leave teaching?
Lightningbolt82 · 27/01/2018 22:19

This may sound crazy..... Before you quit, you could try to just do less. Don't bother doing all the crazy marking. Say you didn't have time to do all the planning. Hand in vague plans. What would happen? They would be stupid to sack you!! I'd definitely try that while you search for something else!!

castasp · 28/01/2018 09:08

Agree with lightningbolt82. I've been a teacher for years and moved around a fair bit. I was always mega-conscientious, did everything asked of me, as you are doing, until it dawned on me a couple of years ago that the ones who get promoted are the ones who never bother with all the crap - no planning, just swan in and wing it, bare minimum of marking (enough red to make it look like they've marked, making sure pupils peer/self assess in red so it looks like they've marked it etc. Apart from one school (where the management were a bunch of psycho bullies), they've always got away with it and then got promoted.

This year, particularly after reading a book on CBT, which had a whole chapter on learning to do things that you wouldn't normally ever do, I decided to try going the 'lazy teacher' way, and not a single person has noticed my lack of work. In fact, because I now don't bother marking books, and I just teach whatever lesson happens to be on the system (rather than feeling like I've got to jazz it up), I've found I now have time to spend on other departmental things, which really need doing, but the HoD hasn't had time and I seem to be gaining extra brownie points!

Just try it - you need to pretend you're playing a daft game. So choose one thing this week that you've been told you've got to do, something small e.g. the wrong colour pen for a section of your marking and see what happens. If no one notices, try something a bit bolder.

If they DO notice though, then they really are mad and you need to leave ASAP!!

Matildasmum13 · 28/01/2018 10:57

Get out. Get out now. This is soul destroying- those poor kids in that school!

Rainbowcolours1 · 28/01/2018 18:47

I'm a head...and recruitment is a nightmare...but I would tell you to leave. Having had a visit from Ofsted this week I know full well that planning wasn't on their radar and we didn't talk about marking one!
Your SLT read as though they are running scared. You can have all the systems and policies in place that you like but if you overload your staff and ignore their wellbeing then things will ultimately crash.
Get out, supply, another school or abroad but...if you can, be completely honest in your resignation letter...the more who are honest the more chance there is that something might change.

oldfatandstressed · 28/01/2018 20:21

Sounds like the SLT have no idea how to actually lead and support their teachers. There has been loads on the gov.uk website about reducing teacher workload and marking. It's the SLTs job to worry about results, but not to pass it on and give the teachers space to do what they need to do and teach.
I'm sorry you're having such a horrid time, change jobs- it's not teaching that's the issue but the school you're in! Good luck!

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