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Should I leave teaching?

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jesstjoking · 17/01/2018 20:33

I have tried to make this as un-identifying as possible so I’ve edited facts a little and some is quite vague. Sorry it’s really long.

I was on maternity leave and returned to work just before Christmas in a new school in the same MAT as my previous school. I am now having serious concerns about how suitable I am for this school or possible for teaching in general. I’d love some perspective because I feel lost.

I have a year 3 class who had between 5 and 10 supply teachers last term. The school has a very high staff turn over (3 others joined at the same time as me) and I suspect I was the only candidate for the job. There is very low moral amongst staff, especially teaching staff. I am feeling overwhelmed and stressed already and I feel like a lot of what I do is a waste of time. I love my class and I feel like I could make a difference for them if I stayed in the post until the end of the academic year. They desperately need some consistency after so many supply teachers and they are a lovely group of children. However I have several serious problems in the school.

The SLT are obsessed with data, Ofsted and SATs. I must hear those words 20 times a day or more in a surprising variety of contexts. For example, my phase leader told me not to worry that my class found telling the time confusing because they’re unlikely to get a question on that in the end of term test paper because there were lots of points for it in the autumn term test. The children have all been told if they are exceeding / expected / working towards, but most of them don’t know what they should do to improve. The progress data must be updated on the excel sheets every 2 weeks, but as far as I can tell, it isn’t being used for anything. There are 5 children identified in my class as failing the Y1 phonics test at the end of Y2 and again just before Christmas, but there isn’t any kind of phonics intervention in place for them. There are also children identified with maths at the expected level for a reception child, but there isn’t any kind of focus group work for them, they’re just doing Singapore maths with everyone else.

Planning is stifling. We have to plan 2 weeks in advance (5 hours 50 mins maths week and 6.5 hours English per week) and give in copies to SLT. The SLT do learning walks most days and they bring the plans with them. If you’re not doing what it says you’re doing on the plan then you need to have annotated the hard copy of the plan to explain what went wrong and why you’re not on track. I hardly know my class so I find it very difficult to predict what they will be able to do by the end of the week let alone by the end of next week. I want to be able to edit my plans depending on what happened in the last lesson.

Planning must be in a very specific and time consuming format. The old planning from last year was deleted from the network because the format was changed, so we are planning everything from scratch. I end up planning at home most of the time, but I do not have a school laptop. My laptop is a mac and does not have microsoft word. The planning must be in the grid which is only saved in microsoft word. I re-made the grid in the mac equivalent of word, and handed in the hard copy of my planning on that, but I was told I would need to copy and paste it into the correct grid because my boxes weren’t exactly the same size and I didn’t have the right font. There are so many boxes, and the computers are so slow, that copying and pasting 2 weeks worth of plans took me about 30 minutes. All because Ofsted apparently want to see consistency across schools in planning.

The medium term plans expect me to cover way too much. I am supposed to do Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone in 3 weeks with an EAL heavy year 3 class. They should have the opportunity to do 2 pieces of extended independent writing in that time and one formal comprehension in silence (used to update the excel sheet on reading levels) every week too and we must have grammar, spelling and reading foci in every lesson. We also have an hour of reciprocal reading per week as part of English and the text should come from the (very expensive) comprehension texts box. Medium term plans for history and science are also very limiting. Each lesson must answer a pre-set question (but there are no resources to go with it because they all got deleted) so there is no time to answer the children’s questions. My class were really curious about children’s lives in the historical era, but the questions mostly focus on buildings, neighbourhoods and cities to cover geography too. I’ve been authorised to find or make texts about the history topic to use in the English comprehensions. There is a very obvious local trip for this history topic which I suggested, but the school only do one trip per year and it’s as a whole school, so that’s not an option.

We do not use a digital register system and teachers are responsible for telling the office staff to phone home for high-risk children on the first day of absence and all other children on the second day. We are the also responsible for checking whether the phone call was actually made. Teachers are expected to notice any patterns in absences, eg/ one child always misses Mondays and report this too.

The marking policy is very time consuming. I have to mark correct or good things in green and wrong things in red and write which of the success criteria they achieved in green and a target in red. The children then reply in purple and I correct their reply in pink. When they self or peer assess, they use yellow and pink highlighters for good and bad things and write their comments in orange. Their books look a mess with all of those colours all over them but presentation is a huge focus, for example, they’re supposed to rub out the margin if it’s not exactly 2 squares wide. I’d rather they got on with the maths with a 3-square margin than wasted another 5 minutes rubbing out and it drawing again, but it's not my place to make that decision.

There are year group meetings, phase meetings, key stage meetings and whole school meetings. Each level of management has a specific focus and is doing book and planning scrutinies to check that their focus is being satisfied. It feels like everything is the priority to someone, from presentation to independently written sentences explaining mathematical reasoning and methods. A whole school meeting started with the English lead telling us that we needed to provide a high and low example of exceeding, expected and working toward writing, annotated to show which criteria had been met where to be used as an example bank for moderation. She openly stated that they had done this last year and not used them.

My final issue is with how incidents are recorded. Each class has a box full of big postcards, one for each child. You have to write any incidents (injuries, behaviour issues etc) on their card, so incidents involving more than one child have to be written on all of the relevant cards. It’s very time consuming and not very useful. Apparently the purpose of this is so that is an angry parent goes into the office to ask about an incident, the SLT can simply take the incident card and use that in the meeting rather than disrupt me while I’m teaching for me to tell them what happened.

Is this just what teaching is in the UK now? I’m working 10 - 11 hours most week days and probably 4 or 5 hours at the weekend to do everything and I can't keep doing it. To cut down, I either do all of the random extra stuff and muddle along without enough time to plan creative, engaging lessons, make useful resources, or enough brain bandwidth to remember their birthdays and the little things which matter to them, or I focus on the children and giving good lessons but fail on everything else and end up fired with a terrible reference. I don’t have enough time for my own dc if I do everything. I am on a probation contract so I could leave at half term, and I’m really tempted to return to my previous career, but I don't want to disrupt my class again and I love teaching.

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parrotonmyshoulder · 17/01/2018 20:37

Leave.
It sounds utterly ridiculous.
You will not change it. It will destroy you.
Not all schools are like this.
I hope Ofsted come and slate it!

Cauliflowersqueeze · 17/01/2018 20:44

Find another school. Your current one is ridiculous. Really ridiculous.

filga · 17/01/2018 20:52

I don't know whether or not you should leave teaching, but get away from that school, it sounds ridiculous.

Wait4nothing · 17/01/2018 20:52

Not all schools are like this - that is ridiculous- leave now! You can’t let your worry for the class ruin your life!

IcanMooCanYou · 17/01/2018 20:57

Oh my god. Please get out- that will distroy you. (I have actually only read your post down to daily learning walks with plans)

And please please please put in complaints to governors explaining exactly why.

jesstjoking · 17/01/2018 20:58

Thanks everyone. That's really reassuring to hear.
I think part of the problem is that they got outstanding in their last Ofsted 5 or 6 years ago and are desperate to keep it. They are expecting the Ofsted call at any minute so everything must always be "Ofsted-ready" (another phrase I hear all the time and hate!).

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jesstjoking · 17/01/2018 20:59

Ican, sorry it's so long! Once I started writing I couldn't stop.

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IcanMooCanYou · 17/01/2018 21:00

And sorry, I meant leave that school. I worked in similar and was ready to leave teaching. I now work in a good school- slt don't believe in short yerm planning more than a few days in advance and there is generally a very supportive atmosphere. I'm still putting plans in place to be out of teaching altogether in 18 months for general reasons around the profession, but I can honestly say I enjoy my job at the minute despite the lomg hours and never ending to-do list.

Showergel1 · 17/01/2018 21:02

Leave.
Not all schools are like this.
They will burn you into the ground then toss you on the scraphead without a second thought.
Supply is worth the risk imo, I had decided to quit after a long term placement (extremely similar to yours) that finished ay xmas but I'm five days into day to day supply again and have already got my confidence back.

IcanMooCanYou · 17/01/2018 21:02

Grin I wasn't criticising- I meant there was enough up to there for me to say GET OUT! (Going back to read the rest now and have a cry for you)

Sittinonthefloor · 17/01/2018 21:04

Leave! It sounds miserable for everyone!

MagicFajita · 17/01/2018 21:06

Agree with pps , leave that school then see how you feel.

I've seen some ridiculous expectations of staff in my time but what you describe is the worst of the worst.

Bellamuerte · 17/01/2018 21:07

I left teaching for the same reason: the workload was too heavy and there was too much planning, marking and admin. I was doing 10-12 hour days plus working at weekends for a grand total of £23k. DH works fewer hours for more than double the salary and I was getting upset about being taken advantage of (overworked and not adequately compensated). Unfortunately it just seems to be what teaching has become nowadays.

IcanMooCanYou · 17/01/2018 21:09

Also that is a COMPLETE LIE that ofsted want to see consistent planning. They do not give any guidance whatsoever over planning and it's highly unlikely they will ask to see any. The only time ever may be if a lesson they observe goes terribly wrong and they MAY question planning.

This is what I mean by writing up a complaint to governors.

It's the same with marking. Ofsted give NO guidance of marking. They are only allowed to comment if the school's policy is not being followed. I know of schools that have implemented a 'no written feedback' policy. All fine with ofsted and is in fact backed up by current research.

jesstjoking · 17/01/2018 21:15

Thank you for the replies everyone. This has given me some hope for staying in the UK. DH had casually mentioned wanting to take DD to his country, so I am considering getting him motivated to find a job over there and looking for an international school. It's insane that emigrating away from my family to a country where I don't speak the language, with a baby seems like the easy option.

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TeaAndToast85 · 17/01/2018 21:16

OP, I am a teacher too. My mouth fell open when you described the planning requirements, and my jaw hit the floor after reading the marking policy. Get out, and run like the wind x

Masonbee · 17/01/2018 21:16

Leave. Leave now. And I'm so sorry to say that because the children deserve a caring committed teacher who can make a difference but you can't fix this system and is not worth your health Sad

For context, I left teaching after working in a school with not nearly this amount of insanity. I realised I could do everything asked and ruin my health and family life or I could not do everything and fail the children and their families. I came closer to both than I wanted...

If you feel brave, (and can do so without jeopardising the reference) be honest in an exit interview.

This is insane and is not what ofsted want. Someone told me today they had an (EYFS) ofsted inspection in which the inspectors
didn't look at a single book or piece of planning. They checked all the safeguarding and watched interactions with the children.

If it is what ofsted want, they can fuck right off. I'm so sad and angry for you and the children.

jesstjoking · 17/01/2018 21:17

Ican, where can I find "evidence" that Ofsted aren't interested in planning formats and marking colours? I suppose the SLT might then say it's for the children rather than for Ofsted but it might help.

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jesstjoking · 17/01/2018 21:22

I've been struggling with feeling guilty leaving dd and going back to work and not doing enough for my class has added to that. It's a relief to hear other people validate that this is insane. Thank you for your comments.

I feel bad about "quitting" on my already disrupted class, but I also feel guilty because compared to some, I have it fairly easy in this school. I've been teaching for more years than I like to admit but I don't have any subject responsibilities or assemblies to do. The KS1 teachers don't even have proper PPA - they get 35 mins per day instead of a solid chunk.

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Ni58 · 17/01/2018 21:26

Google this Ofsted 'myths' document.

Should I leave teaching?
Scooby23 · 17/01/2018 21:30

I agree with everyone else... I would leave. And if this is outstanding, I think I would rather settle for good!!!!! Absolutely crazy workload. Would love to see your post on the ‘teaching is so great’ recruitment adverts that they constantly put on tv! Xxx good luck xxx

carringtonm · 17/01/2018 21:35

I can't imagine why the staff turnover is so high... Hmm

Get out as soon as you can, OP. I'm in a school very similar to what you describe and am purely hanging on for maternity pay. This school will destroy you - I have seen my school do just that to many fantastic teachers.

jesstjoking · 17/01/2018 21:36

That myths document is really interesting. I'm tempted to print it out and sneak in early to stick it to the notice board! We also have to keep all last year's English and maths books to show them to Ofsted if they want to see them.

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halfwitpicker · 17/01/2018 21:38

Sounds horrible.

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