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Schools advertising for 'unqualified teachers'

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roamingespadrille · 26/06/2017 17:29

This is what a number of our local schools are advertising. Very low pay attached to it. Job description is a full teaching job.

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Mrsmartell08 · 26/06/2017 17:32

Where is this?
Where is it advertised!?

roamingespadrille · 26/06/2017 17:45

South West, LEA website.

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roamingespadrille · 26/06/2017 17:46

There's only one on there at the moment but there have been a few over the last months.

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Judashascomeintosomemoney · 26/06/2017 17:46

Yep, academies can employ unqualified teachers. It's spun as 'having the same advantages as independent schools to employ brilliant people even if they aren't qualified'. Ha fucking ha. No, it's so they can pay them peanuts. There's probably some 'scheme' where the UQT can become qualified if they achieve certain things. The goal posts of which will keep moving so that they never actually become qualified and can be kept on a basic salary whilst doing the full teaching job. The real money has to be spent on the MAT Executive Head's salary, the financial services offered by the accountant that just happens to be on the Board of trustees, the legal services of the lawyer who also just happens on the board of trustees. Etc etc.

LindyHemming · 26/06/2017 17:51

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Gres · 26/06/2017 17:56

DS has twice been approached and offered a job as an unqualified teacher. The jobs were the same as a qualified teacher but not the pay. He's doing teacher training instead.

soimpressed · 26/06/2017 17:58

This doesn't surprise me at all. Children in my school are now being 'taugh't by unqualified teachers anytime their teacher is absent.

Mrsmartell08 · 26/06/2017 18:47

I take it you mean graduates?

roamingespadrille · 26/06/2017 19:11

Doesn't ask for graduates.

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MiaowTheCat · 26/06/2017 19:15

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CarrieBlue · 26/06/2017 20:01

Whilst an excellent entrepreneur and inventor, even James Dyson is not a teacher and it's insulting to those of us qualified in the profession that schools are allowed to do this and that the general public have let this happen.

Whatawaytomakealiving · 26/06/2017 20:06

Academies don't need to employ qualified teachers. And anyway the extra money it would take needs to go to keep the CEO and his buddies in style.

user1497480444 · 26/06/2017 20:09

Teaching qualifications can be over rated. PGCE just consists of one year unpaid experience, with support and feedback. You can get support and feedback in a paid job too

Whatawaytomakealiving · 26/06/2017 21:15

Just who would provide that support and feedback to an unqualified teacher who needs to develop, user

smu06set · 26/06/2017 21:19

Wow judas biased much? Bad experience of a multi academy trust??

user1497480444 · 26/06/2017 21:20

the same people who would do if an NQT was employed. Someone in the school will be given a time table allowance, and extra pay to do this. Its no different to employing an NQT, easier in some ways

roamingespadrille · 26/06/2017 21:21

I think judas' analysis matches many people's experience - not biased, sadly realistic.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 26/06/2017 21:21

Someone in the school will be given a time table allowance, and extra pay to do this.

Wow, someone doesn't understand how it works.

roamingespadrille · 26/06/2017 21:21

Very different to employing an NQT, and shockingly detrimental to the profession as a whole.

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user1495915742 · 26/06/2017 21:48

MAT near us seems to be a law unto themselves.

That is a whole other story though...........

noblegiraffe · 26/06/2017 22:01

A PGCE isn't an unpaid year of work experience. You have weeks of lectures, have to conduct research, reading, write essays. Any time in the classroom is carefully built up, your contact time is tiny and starts with observations and you are constantly observed.

Bullshit would this be given to an unqualified teacher. They'd be dropped in at the deep end. A school would want its money's worth.

user1497480444 · 26/06/2017 23:17

NQTs and unqualified teachers are dealt with by the same mentors in my school, it is very much the same thing, being an unqualified teacher is slightly easier, I think, much less paperwork, anyway.

There has to be a mentor available for the NQTs, and they are paid extra and have less timetabled lessons. The same person deals with the unqualified teachers.

A lot of people prefer going into teaching through this route, rather than PGCE; a lot cheaper, you get paid from day one, rather than having to pay tuition fees yourself, etc. and a LOT less irrelevant faffing about.

You have weeks of lectures, have to conduct research, reading, write essays. Any time in the classroom is carefully built up, your contact time is tiny and starts with observations and you are constantly observed.

exactly this sort of irrelevant faffing about!

noblegiraffe · 26/06/2017 23:39

Haven't you already established on another thread that your school is shit?

Bloody hell if we've got teachers claiming that to become an effective teacher just requires you to rock up at a school and teach then the profession is doomed.

No need to learn about the curriculum, effective teaching strategies, behaviour management, SEN, how to structure a lesson or a series of lessons. Not even any need to check your subject knowledge is up to scratch. Simply get on with the job and I'm sure a mentor will be along in a week or so to observe you an give you some pointers. Don't worry about the class not actually learning anything, that's fine. Hmm

user1497480444 · 26/06/2017 23:42

No need to learn about the curriculum, effective teaching strategies, behaviour management, SEN, how to structure a lesson or a series of lessons. Not even any need to check your subject knowledge is up to scratch

why do you think this is more effectively learnt on a PGCE than in school? Whether you do a PGCE or not, you actually learn all this IN SCHOOL. You can bypass the PGCE quite easily, without any long term disadvantage, and with significant financial advantages.

noblegiraffe · 26/06/2017 23:44

It takes time out of the classroom to learn this stuff. You cannot do extensive reading or attend lectures or reflect on your practice if you are teaching a full timetable and you don't know what you're doing. That's just obvious.