0.9 as an NQT?

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Has anybody done this ? I am starting look at a jobs for September which seem to have started appearing in the last week on local council jobs page. I would like to be able to leave perhaps an hour early twice a week to pick my DD up. Would this equate to a 0.9 contract ? No idea if it will be allowed or not but thought I may as well give it a shot. I'm primary if that makes any difference.

I've never heard of this being agreed... you need to be able to commit fully to the role.

Anytime up until 6, I just feel while she's little the earlier I can pick her up the better and I found after having a break and change of scenery for a few hours meant I was quite happy to do work of an evening. Maybe my mission should be to find a school as close to hers is as possible !

For your NQT year I'd suck it up and do the full time. That way you can get everything done that you need to. After that you can see what would work best for you and your dd. To whoever said thst NQTs only do 90% anyway, the point of NQT having time out of the classroom is so they have more time for PPA as it is all new, or can go on visits to observe other settings, not so they can go do the school run sadly.

pottering at my placement school when teachers were out classes were covered by HLTAs who also did PPA cover or it was afternoons when they had PE and they had a PE teacher take the class

I get that, but that's not what you're asking for. Those people are timetabled to take PPA cover. You're thinking there will be randomers who can cover your class for an hour. They will be in classes covering the PPA of other staff. You don't even want 0.9 with 1 afternoon; you want to leave early on 2 afternoons. It's just not going to work like that.

If nobody ever asks for anything, and assumes it is impossible, obviously they don't get it - like the sweets thing below.
No harm in asking. No school has so many good applicants that they can reject you simply for asking. People who say 'our school would' are clearly so inundated in fantastic applicants they buck the trend of the whole country, and indeed other countries (same all over Europe).
I now work in a school (state school, non-chain academy) where I and others have agreed specific contracts, and they have been accommodated. Some people on here have accused me of lying, because they can't imagine anything other than what-has-always-been-done. Some of the staff do not do P1, and do not have a tutor group so that they can take their DC to school. Someone would have been the first to ask for that, and had they consulted here first, would have had the fixed-mindsetters warning that it was impossible because it had never happened before, but it was agreed.
In all innovation, someone has to be first.
In my previous career a male-dominated one, I was the first to ask for flexible (term time) working, which was unthinkable in that business. But it was reluctantly agreed on a trial basis, worked fantastically well, and others (including men) were able also to negotiate conditions to suit them, and the company benefited from a a positive committed workforce. Because people have a variety of requests, it is not all one-sided.
I am in secondary but when I did supply ( last year) was nagged endlessly to do primary because of the dire shortage of staff. Do not undersell yourself! 'Experienced' people on here may be disparaging about NQTs and sniffily tell you that school wouldn't alter their patterns to suit a 'mere NQT' - out of date - you are scare and you are in demand.
If they refuse, you can still make a decision about whether to work there or not - if you like the school you could always do FT to get your NQT signed off and then look elsewhere next year - or have this school desperate to keep you on your terms - which are very modest anyway!
Good luck !

MrsGuy I'm confused, in November you were posting about your part time job in a lovely indie with no tutor group. Now it's a full time job in a state school with no tutor group?

Thank you MrsGuy. There is a real primary teacher shortage round here so I am definitely going to give it a shot but am fully prepared to be told no & would completely understand why given the reasons other posters have given. But who knows! It may well be I get the NQT over and done with FT then reconsider.

For the last few years I have been working supply in all kinds of schools, worked 4 days a week in an indie teaching maths (not my specialism) , worked as an extra via an agency - currently I am working full time teaching MFL in an academy nearer my home where I previously did supply . Again chose not to have a tutor group or run clubs - no problem. Still get normal salary, TPS, sickness etc. Next year I might go back to supply, might go back to PT, might go back to maths...or I might do something different. I might even do primary if the marking requirement become reasonable.There are lots of opportunities out there if you just ask... You do not have to wait for a vacancy to appear - contact HTs directly.
The weasel clause to challenge in standard teacher contracts is the part that the HT can ask you to do anything over and above the normal hours. Negotiate that out (which should have been the unions job, but they have done it)

worked 4 days a week in an indie teaching maths

But this was a month ago you were posting about your indie job. Since then you have quit the indie (how did you break the contract mid-term?), negotiated a new contract and are now teaching MFL in a state school?

Giraffe - delighted you are taking such an interest in me
Off topic of the thread.
As it happens, I have not broken any contract , I have negotiated terms that suit me and the schools concerned ( and no, I wasn't sacked since I expect that will be your next attack - I have agreed to do holiday revision sessions and other gigs at the indie and they are pleased that I have also introduced another teacher who is a specialist for A level)
The point is that you can have adult conversations with schools - at least with academies/indies/free schools - and you do not have to accept standard terms. Standard teaching recruitment/terms/notice periods/interviews are archaic - not appropriate for modern situations. The academy had to match the conditions I had at the indie to get me. Of course any employer will prefer to have their standard contract, but as in any job situation, the terms/duration/salary/perks are negotiable.
The OP is an NQT - highly sought after - and should not feel she dare not ask for different conditions. Maybe a cynical jaded 'experienced' teacher would not be so attractive to a school, but an enthusiastic energetic NQT is worth being flexible for.

Ok, Mrsguy I have decided to take an interest, because some things you post don't add up.

On 14th November you were working part time 4 days in an indie teaching maths (not your specialism). On 29th November you were working 8-4 every day teaching a shortage subject that wasn't your specialism, presumably the maths job. On 4th December you were still posting about the 8-4 maths job. On 5th December you were talking about a job which you'd started part time but was now 5 days (presumably the indie maths job). However this was now a state school job. And 20th December you're now a full time MFL teacher in a state school.

I'm not sure you should be advising people about negotiating contracts when you're not being entirely honest about your own.

Busted..... :)

Is your DD at school?

I went back full time (after taking 3.5 years off completely) when my DTDs started school. They used the after school club every day except Friday when I would leave work bang on the bell at 3 and could be in their playground by 3.12 to pick them up when their school finished at 3.15. No school could have an issue with you leaving at the end of directed time. Part of the joy of teaching is the flexibility to do your work when it suits, outside of the bits with the kids. If I wanted to leave on the bell every day, I could. My contracted hours are 8.25-3.00. Obviously there are meetings and parents evenings on top of that. I generally stay at school until between 4 and 5pm, but that is my choice. My kids are 10 now. When they were littler, I left earlier every day except Monday (staff meeting day)

Hi Evil yes she starts school in September. That's good to know, even if I don't get the extra early finish I'll try to do something similar. The school she'll be going to has lovely before & after school care that once she's older I think she'll love but while she's in reception I'd like to try & keep that to a minimum.

Hopefully you will sort something out. I have always said, though, that being at breakfast/after school club was massively beneficial for my girls. They are July birthdays and so seemed tiny to be starting school, but mixing with older children before and after school was fabulous for their confidence. At their first parents evening, their teacher said that they can always tell which Reception children use breakfast/after school club as they are so much more confident in the playground when all the children are out at lunchtime. I know it feels like a lot to throw your tiny child into a long school day, but there are positives as well. As an NQT I would worry about seeming to not be willing to prioritise the job. To be honest - that's not going to end... I'm leaving at the end of this academic year and am already feeling guilty for the fact that I'll be leaving a Year 10 group half way through. There's not a simple answer to any of this - teaching gets into your blood!

noble I love you more than ever.

Oh noble, you are my favourite.

OP, I don't believe in responding to/feeding goady trolls who arrogantly demand more and more identifying personal details. Doesn't matter what the sad acts pretend to believe - suffice to say that I am not the only one who is negotiating win-win contracts with schools - plenty of us out there. We are the ones who are cheerful at work, and in interactions with colleagues and pupils, so I hope you are also successful. There are many HTs who are pleased to welcome people who are flexible and innovative as it makes a refreshing change from the defeatism and negativity in many (not all) staffrooms (and amplified by the usual suspects in this virtual staffroom) .
The dinosaurs are dying out, and they know it, hence their last few groans and whines...

It depends what the competition is like. I have a job nobody else seems to want. Or at least, nobody else who could do it well. So I got to negotiate on pay and working hours, up to a point.

OP I've got the sort of contract you're after, I finish at lunchtime a few days a week so I can do the school run. However, I'm secondary and it's easier to timetable a teacher so they're not teaching a class last period than it is in primary where the teacher is supposed to have the same class all day but wants to clear off halfway through the afternoon. If a teacher is telling you this is possible, but they're secondary, take that into account.

Your DD is going to start reception, what would you think if her teacher did this and she ended up with a patchwork of cover teachers to fill the odd hours? (PPA time is usually properly covered). Abandoning your child to pick up her own because she didn't want to use an after school club?

If you're going to go part time, I would say go for days off. Rushing off partway through the school day to pick your child up just feels like you're dashing everywhere, doing neither thing properly and you come back to school the next day not knowing what state your classroom will be in.

Part time jobshares will also be advertised properly, you won't have all the hassle of going for an interview, making your unusual request and potentially the whole thing having been a waste of everyone's time.

OP I'm a part time nursery teacher, so mornings only. I'm on maternity leave ATM but previously I was doing full time teachers hours of my own accord in order to keep my paperwork etc during working hours if that makes sense? I'm going into my fifth year of teaching, so remember quite clearly what it was like to be an NQT and I have to say, having done full time AND part time, I've turned down full time work at my school because I want to be able to do school pick ups sometimes when my DS starts school. I hope you find something that suits you.

I have a friend who did primary mornings-only for a bit. It was literacy and numeracy intervention classes so she didn't have a class of her own and it didn't cause the need for cover in the afternoons.
They kept trying to get more than half a day's teaching hours out of her by diddling her out of PPA time, and as she wasn't in in the afternoons she missed all staff meetings and communication was crap so she felt constantly out of the loop.
She's now doing a job-share instead.

Just another option to consider - I'm a self employed teacher of MFL in primary. I work mornings from 9.15 and afternoons until 2.50 so I can do the school run myself. I'm losing out on pension, sick pay etc but it suits me while DD is young and I enjoy it enormously, it's nice to turn up to a school and feel so welcomed by the children (and the teacher who gets a bonus hour off to do marking/make a brew!)

Thank you everyone for taking the time to respond this thread has been very enlightening !! Maybe I will keep an eye out for a job share instead even if I could do 4 days I wonder if schools would consider that for an NQT or leccybill what you say sounds great would love to do something like that at some point.

You can definitely do 0.8 as an nqt, it will just take you longer to qualify as you need to do the equivalent of a year full time to pass if that makes sense?